Guides to rules abroad...

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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby thirdcrank » 17 Jun 2019, 9:19pm

For the benefit of any chivalrous English speaking visitors to this scepter'd isle, I'll mention that this is prohibited here too:
Rule 68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway ... s-59-to-82

24 Restriction of carriage of persons on bicycles.
(1) Not more than one person may be carried on a road on a bicycle not propelled by mechanical power unless it is constructed or adapted for the carriage of more than one person.
(2) In this section—
(a)references to a person carried on a bicycle include references to a person riding the bicycle, and
(b) “road” includes bridleway.
(3) If a person is carried on a bicycle in contravention of subsection (1) above, each of the persons carried is guilty of an offence.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/24

One point there is that in this country you would both have been nicked.

On a lighter note, I mentioned on another thread that the late Ken Dodd reported having been nicked for giving a lady a croggy on her own bike.
viewtopic.php?p=1173831#p1173831

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I've found these about Germany which both look useful in their different ways. The first looks pretty informative to me in PDF form and is from an official source.
http://www.germanroadsafety.de/download ... and_en.pdf
The second seems to look at it from a visitor's perspective, but that's an American visitor. The author admits to not being a fluent speaker of German and has used google translation but their English is unusual and probably just as unusual to AmE speakers.

eg "Bell / horn: For dispensing acoustic warning."
http://bicyclegermany.com/german_bicycle_laws.html

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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby mjr » 17 Jun 2019, 10:14pm

thirdcrank wrote:For the benefit of any chivalrous English speaking visitors to this scepter'd isle, I'll mention that this is prohibited here too:
Rule 68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
....

"Or adapted to carry one" - so get a 75kg-rated rack and a seat cushion. :twisted:

I've found these about Germany which both look useful in their different ways. The first looks pretty informative to me in PDF form and is from an official source.
http://www.germanroadsafety.de/download ... and_en.pdf
The second seems to look at it from a visitor's perspective, but that's an American visitor. The author admits to not being a fluent speaker of German and has used google translation but their English is unusual and probably just as unusual to AmE speakers.

eg "Bell / horn: For dispensing acoustic warning."
http://bicyclegermany.com/german_bicycle_laws.html

The first confuses laws and opinion. The second contains obvious errors like "In Europe there is no right turn on red" (there is, in Paris and some other cities, and anywhere signed in the Netherlands, among others) which makes me wary of trusting it about Germany.

I found those while looking too. I've yet to find a good guide in English.
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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby thirdcrank » 17 Jun 2019, 10:27pm

mjr

It's just occurred to me I've no plans for travel abroad, by bike, pack animal or motor vehicle so I'll leave it to you.

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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby brynpoeth » 18 Jun 2019, 3:37am

In Germany right turn on red is allowed if there is a fixed arrow sign but
One must stop before proceeding*
One may only go if it is safe to do so
One may wait for for green, one does not have to go (+1!)

*Universally ignored of course, -99
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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby brynpoeth » 18 Jun 2019, 3:38am

In Germany right turn on red is allowed if there is a fixed arrow sign but
One must stop before proceeding*
One may only go if it is safe to do so
One may wait for for green, one does not have to go (+1!)

*Universally ignored of course, -99
What a stupid rule
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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby brynpoeth » 18 Jun 2019, 5:13am

I wanted to recommend ( :?) the Radsternfahrt Berlin, but it was on 02. June
For one day 90 000 cyclists take over the city :wink:
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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby mjr » 18 Jun 2019, 8:20am

thirdcrank wrote:mjr

It's just occurred to me I've no plans for travel abroad, by bike, pack animal or motor vehicle so I'll leave it to you.

??? You're the one who complained about urban myths being spread, then posted links to two guides spreading myths!

I do plan to ride in Germany this year with others, so I'd like a good guide in English. I haven't found one yet .
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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby st599_uk » 18 Jun 2019, 8:54am

mjr wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:For the benefit of any chivalrous English speaking visitors to this scepter'd isle, I'll mention that this is prohibited here too:
Rule 68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
....

"Or adapted to carry one" - so get a 75kg-rated rack and a seat cushion. :twisted:

I've found these about Germany which both look useful in their different ways. The first looks pretty informative to me in PDF form and is from an official source.
http://www.germanroadsafety.de/download ... and_en.pdf
The second seems to look at it from a visitor's perspective, but that's an American visitor. The author admits to not being a fluent speaker of German and has used google translation but their English is unusual and probably just as unusual to AmE speakers.

eg "Bell / horn: For dispensing acoustic warning."
http://bicyclegermany.com/german_bicycle_laws.html

The first confuses laws and opinion. The second contains obvious errors like "In Europe there is no right turn on red" (there is, in Paris and some other cities, and anywhere signed in the Netherlands, among others) which makes me wary of trusting it about Germany.

I found those while looking too. I've yet to find a good guide in English.
May well be illegal. It's common practice though. The Frauleins normally ride side saddle on the rack holding on to the seat post.

Holland is far more civilized. They ride side saddle on the front rack allowing better conversation.
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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby Vorpal » 18 Jun 2019, 12:03pm

There is a law in Germany, similar to that in the UK

In German
https://www.radissimo.de/blog/fahrrad-g ... -verboten/

Google translated
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... erboten%2F
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Re: Guides to rules abroad...

Postby brynpoeth » 18 Jun 2019, 4:58pm

One thing about Berlin, -99
Statistics for 'accidental' deaths are published for each Bundesland
In Berlin very few motorists are killed, but lots of PoBs + PoFs
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