New Pump

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Re: New Pump

Postby Mick F » 24 Aug 2019, 10:45am

Brucey wrote:if you have a pump like an HPX, you don't really need a track pump. Its nice to have one, but it isn't really necessary; if my HPX is to hand, I won't bother walking even ten yards to get my track pump out.
I wouldn't buy an HPX.
They only come in black.

What happened to colours or shiny silver?
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Re: New Pump

Postby pwa » 24 Aug 2019, 10:51am

Mick F wrote:
Brucey wrote:if you have a pump like an HPX, you don't really need a track pump. Its nice to have one, but it isn't really necessary; if my HPX is to hand, I won't bother walking even ten yards to get my track pump out.
I wouldn't buy an HPX.
They only come in black.

What happened to colours or shiny silver?

I'm not using my HPX pumps much at the moment, but they really are all anyone could want if they are looking for a frame pump. Four sizes to choose from, last as far as I can tell forever if you look after them, as efficient to use as a frame fit pump can be, with the locking mechanism to stop the spring in the handle working when you pump, and not even expensive. I forgive such a great piece of kit only coming in black.

A bit of silver if you really must have it.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zefal-HPX-fr ... 99999?var=

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Re: New Pump

Postby Mick F » 24 Aug 2019, 11:57am

Thanks! :D
Not in the market for a pump though.

Usually use CO2 if I need to pump up a tyre when I'm out. Rarely get a visit from the p fairy, buy she does come from time to time.
If I'm away for more than a day, I'd take my Lezyne.
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/lezyne-micro-f ... -abs-pump/
Fits in a saddle bag or alongside a water bottle.
Super little pump.
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Re: New Pump

Postby pwa » 24 Aug 2019, 12:24pm

Mick F wrote:Thanks! :D
Not in the market for a pump though.

Usually use CO2 if I need to pump up a tyre when I'm out. Rarely get a visit from the p fairy, buy she does come from time to time.
If I'm away for more than a day, I'd take my Lezyne.
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/lezyne-micro-f ... -abs-pump/
Fits in a saddle bag or alongside a water bottle.
Super little pump.

Yes, I've got one of those too and it is a very good pump. I suspect I got it on your recommendation. Nice call. As I now favour having a pump in my bag and not on the frame, that pump ticks all the boxes for me. But actually in use it is on a par with my (currently resting) HPX pumps. That, I suppose, is very creditable for a shorter pump, which one might expect to be harder work than a long slender pump. But they are about the same in terms of effort to get a 32mm tyre to 85psi or whatever.

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Re: New Pump

Postby robc02 » 24 Aug 2019, 2:50pm

I pretty much gave up with mini pumps a while ago. My most used bikes have a Zefal HPX fitted either under the top tube or down the seat tube. I haven't had any problems with the lever catching my clothing, but the one on the seat tube sometimes gets its adaptor a bit clogged with dirt. I should get around to fitting a peg so that it can go on the top tube, but in the meantime I just blow and/or wipe it clean before using.

I use a track pump at home mainly because it is convenient and has a pressure gauge. The HPX will easily get tyres to the right pressure.

When out on the road I use a digital pressure gauge - I squeeze the tyre between the digits on my left hand. When it deflects by the right amount I know the pressure is correct :mrgreen: .

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Re: New Pump

Postby Brucey » 24 Aug 2019, 8:54pm

robc02 wrote:…... the one on the seat tube sometimes gets its adaptor a bit clogged with dirt. I should get around to fitting a peg so that it can go on the top tube, but in the meantime I just blow and/or wipe it clean before using. .


I used to have this problem on my MTB. The solution was to make a plug which fitted in the valve hole of the chuck and was tethered with a piece of cord so I couldn't lose it. However this pump didn't have a lever chuck, just a push-on one. I think an HPX is vulnerable to dirt getting in at the lever end of the chuck too (which will wreck the seal, in time) so maybe more protection is required.

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Re: New Pump

Postby robc02 » 25 Aug 2019, 9:25am

Brucey wrote:........ I think an HPX is vulnerable to dirt getting in at the lever end of the chuck too (which will wreck the seal, in time) so maybe more protection is required.

cheers

You are absolutely right. I once had to disassemble and clean out the chuck to get it to work properly. I suspect that even with a bung fitted the lever mechanism might still get affected. Nevertheless, I should fit one. I keep telling myself that fitting it under the top tube is a better solution, one that would allow a bottle cage on the seat tube as well, but I haven't yet got around to doing it :roll: .

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Re: New Pump

Postby Bmblbzzz » 25 Aug 2019, 2:06pm

As somebody pointed out, the Zefal HPX will fit and stay on some/many frames even without a peg or pip. You need (IME) to put the valve end at the seat tube cluster, with its prongs point up and back. A velcro strap or similar helps. The difficulty comes when it gets knocked sideways either by your hand as you lift the bike by its top tube or by the bars swinging round when parked. And of course in urban areas you have theft.

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Re: New Pump

Postby Mick F » 25 Aug 2019, 2:39pm

Here's the last frame pump I had.
I may still have it somewhere, but unused for years and years.
Note that it's black. :oops:
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Re: New Pump

Postby philvantwo » 25 Aug 2019, 4:20pm

How did you manage to fit mudguards on your close clearance mercian mick F?
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Re: New Pump

Postby Mick F » 25 Aug 2019, 4:38pm

Designed the bike for them to my specifications. Long conversations with Mercian themselves (by letter) back in the summer of 1986. Frame and forks delivered Oct 1986.

Serial number 63386
Ruby Flamboyant
Mercian Vincitore £215.00
Lamp boss on forks £3.50
Bottle-cage bosses £6.00
Extra for “Red S” headset £13.50
Chain-peg on seat stay £2.20
5mm boss under bridges for mudguards £4.40
Carriage £4.00
VAT @ 15% £37.29
TOTAL £285.89

Trouble is, 23mm tyres are the max with mudguards, could go to 25mm without them. Not tried it, and don't want to be bothered about it.

Years ago I was on 20mm, but got a pinch puncture or two. 23mm is better and just as fine.
Vittoria Rubino Pro for years and years both 20mm and 23mm. Excellent tyres. 120psi rear 80/90psi front.
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Re: New Pump

Postby freiston » 25 Aug 2019, 5:51pm

For that budget and wanting a pressure gauge (accuracy issues aside), I would go with a Zefal frame-fit pump and a separate pressure gauge (but personally I wouldn't bother with the gauge). The HPX has been lauded in this thread but I'd like to speak up for the plastic Zefal Reversible (models are numbered according to length) and only £3.05 at the moment from Parkers of Bolton. This is the pump that I used until some money burnt a hole in my pocket and I bought the Lezyne Micro Floor pump mentioned earlier in the thread.

My "workshop" pump is a cheap but good (in my opinion) Lifeline pump - they've only got the silver one in stock at the moment at £30 but when I got mine in black, it was a fiver cheaper than the silver version. It's got a rather nice metal chuck for a pump at that price.
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Re: New Pump

Postby Sweep » 26 Aug 2019, 9:51am

freiston wrote:
My "workshop" pump is a cheap but good (in my opinion) Lifeline pump - they've only got the silver one in stock at the moment at £30 but when I got mine in black, it was a fiver cheaper than the silver version. It's got a rather nice metal chuck for a pump at that price.


Interesting. Wasn't aware of that.

I trust it can be opened up if you ever need to maintain/grease it?

Can you get spare bits?

I stupidly bought a premium premium track pump from specialised for £60 or maybe more.

It developed a fault. Wandered into a spesh "concept store" or whatever they call them to ask about a spare bit. Assistant asked how long I had had it and when I said 2 years pretty much laughed at me. Expected me to just buy another. Never had a reply to my mail to spesh asking about bits either.
Sometimes the most expensive stuff isn't the best.
My current day to day track pump is from edinburgh bike co-op. It may be a giyo branded by them.
Cost £15 and is perfectly good but can't be opened up.
I'd always recommend pumps that can be.
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Re: New Pump

Postby freiston » 26 Aug 2019, 12:31pm

Sweep wrote:
freiston wrote:
My "workshop" pump is a cheap but good (in my opinion) Lifeline pump - they've only got the silver one in stock at the moment at £30 but when I got mine in black, it was a fiver cheaper than the silver version. It's got a rather nice metal chuck for a pump at that price.


Interesting. Wasn't aware of that.

I trust it can be opened up if you ever need to maintain/grease it?

Can you get spare bits?

I stupidly bought a premium premium track pump from specialised for £60 or maybe more.

It developed a fault. Wandered into a spesh "concept store" or whatever they call them to ask about a spare bit. Assistant asked how long I had had it and when I said 2 years pretty much laughed at me. Expected me to just buy another. Never had a reply to my mail to spesh asking about bits either.
Sometimes the most expensive stuff isn't the best.
My current day to day track pump is from edinburgh bike co-op. It may be a giyo branded by them.
Cost £15 and is perfectly good but can't be opened up.
I'd always recommend pumps that can be.

Hi Sweep - good point! I've just taken a look and it seems that the only parts that can be replaced are the O rings either side of the reversible part for the valve types - I can't even work out a way of replacing the rubber seal. The whole chuck looks like it can be unscrewed from the hose but my attempt was fruitless - I suppose the hose could be cut and a replacement chuck be attached. The barrel/piston appear to be non-serviceable too. My previous track pump was an Aldi affair that worked fine until the plastic handle cracked. Thankfully, the Lifeline pump does appear to be tough, has a wooden handle, the feet and gauge are a single metal piece with what looks like a decent socket that the barrel fits in, and the metal chuck looks tough enough that it will suffer on account of the rubber seal before anything else - so all in all, it seems good and tough but if it goes awry, it will either have to have a new chuck attached to the hose or be replaced in its entirety.
Disclaimer: Treat what I say with caution and if possible, wait for someone with more knowledge and experience to contribute. ;)