BUT ... The bit I really don't like about them is you go for a ride (20 miles) ... stop at the pub and have a beer ... or 17


I have another pair that are good down to about 7 degrees so looking for something from there and colder, we get quite a bit of wind here as well so must be windproof as that can be a real killer.
Whilst I'll spend what needs be to get something good I don't particularly want to spend an extra £30 just to buy "a label" .... I'm just after something that works well and personally I'm not a huge fan of the mitt style ones.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated
