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Re: Initialisms

Postby robgul » 28 Sep 2019, 5:09pm

They are all from the EAM - European Acronym Mountain :D

astonishing .... if you Google "acronym" somewhere there is a massive resource that someone as compiled

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Edit: The word "astonishing" has been substituted by the forum's profanasaurus component for a 3 letter acronym with a W as first letter . . .
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Re: Initialisms

Postby Brucey » 28 Sep 2019, 7:23pm

**pedant alert**

Acronym has a specific meaning in that the abbreviation is made up of the first letter of each word, and the result is a new word. So for example 'NASA' is an acronym, but if you were to pronounce it 'en-eh-ess-eh' it would be an intitialism.

Most of the abbreviations under discussion are initialisms not acronyms.

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Re: Initialisms

Postby Cyril Haearn » 28 Sep 2019, 7:26pm

I do love acronyms that have two or more meanings
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Re: Initialisms

Postby nirakaro » 28 Sep 2019, 9:29pm

** further pedant alert**
Brucey wrote:**pedant alert**

Acronym has a specific meaning in that the abbreviation is made up of the first letter of each word, and the result is a new word. So for example 'NASA' is an acronym, but if you were to pronounce it 'en-eh-ess-eh' it would be an intitialism.

Most of the abbreviations under discussion are initialisms not acronyms.

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I suspect that this is a case where the dictionaries – and thus the pedants – are wrong. Meaning, as you have said in the past Brucey, comes from usage, and certainly in the world I inhabit, everybody would refer to BBC, STD etc., (and TLA (three letter acronym)), as acronyms.

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Re: Initialisms

Postby Brucey » 28 Sep 2019, 10:16pm

I think some dictionaries are starting to include the 'wrong' meaning of the word acronym, because it is so widespread. Without acronym we wouldn't have bacronym…

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Re: Initialisms

Postby scottg » 28 Sep 2019, 11:39pm

TLA = 3 letter acronym

STI = Shimano Triple Incompatible
SPD = Simplex Pedaling Dynamics
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Re: Initialisms

Postby simonhill » 29 Sep 2019, 12:46am

.....and they change.

STD used to mean something to do with telephones, now it is a nasty itch. Whereas std, often means standard.

Define then use, or don't and confuse.

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Re: Initialisms

Postby The utility cyclist » 29 Sep 2019, 1:25am

Brucey wrote:I think some dictionaries are starting to include the 'wrong' meaning of the word acronym, because it is so widespread. Without acronym we wouldn't have bacronym…

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No, they aren't wrong, dictionaries themselves change with popular use/acceptance in modern language, thus they are correct in changing the meaning of acronym as people adapt and accept it in common use.
This is what nirakaro was saying.

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Re: Initialisms

Postby Chris Jeggo » 29 Sep 2019, 1:27am

simonhill wrote:STD used to mean something to do with telephones, now it is a nasty itch. Whereas std, often means standard.

That STD has now morphed to STI, which is still a nasty itch .... to, er, spend money on handlebar bling?

TLA = three-letter abbreviation, BTW.

The 'onym' of acronym comes from the Greek for 'name' (other common instances are synonym and pseudonym), so it should be a pronounceable word, but not necessarily an initialism - e.g. radar = radio detection and ranging.

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Re: Initialisms

Postby Chris Jeggo » 29 Sep 2019, 1:47am

The utility cyclist wrote:
Brucey wrote:I think some dictionaries are starting to include the 'wrong' meaning of the word acronym, because it is so widespread. Without acronym we wouldn't have bacronym…

cheers

No, they aren't wrong, dictionaries themselves change with popular use/acceptance in modern language, thus they are correct in changing the meaning of acronym as people adapt and accept it in common use.
This is what nirakaro was saying.


Brucey did not say the dictionaries are wrong; indeed he put the word 'wrong' in quotes. I sympathise with him regarding usage. When two words have similar but distinct meanings it reduces the power of the language for precise expression when incorrect use becomes widespread.

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Re: Initialisms

Postby The utility cyclist » 29 Sep 2019, 2:02am

Chris Jeggo wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:
Brucey wrote:I think some dictionaries are starting to include the 'wrong' meaning of the word acronym, because it is so widespread. Without acronym we wouldn't have bacronym…

cheers

No, they aren't wrong, dictionaries themselves change with popular use/acceptance in modern language, thus they are correct in changing the meaning of acronym as people adapt and accept it in common use.
This is what nirakaro was saying.


Brucey did not say the dictionaries are wrong; indeed he put the word 'wrong' in quotes. I sympathise with him regarding usage. When two words have similar but distinct meanings it reduces the power of the language for precise expression when incorrect use becomes widespread.

We'll beg to differ on that, he clearly said they were including the wrong meaning, it's not 'wrong' or wrong if it is in fact the accepted use, it has therefore changed in meaning because of popularity.

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Re: Initialisms

Postby Cyril Haearn » 29 Sep 2019, 5:20am

simonhill wrote:.....and they change.

STD used to mean something to do with telephones, now it is a nasty itch. Whereas std, often means standard.

Define then use, or don't and confuse.

Registration marks are fun, in one small town in Germany all vehicles are 'STD', standard trunk dialling :wink:
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Re: Initialisms

Postby cyclop » 29 Sep 2019, 7:05am

Cyril Haearn wrote:More to the point, what do the user names on these fora signify? :wink:

Fairly obvious this one....one eyed cyclist.Not joking,lost it when I was 8yrs old,throwing stones as you do on the way home from school.

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Re: Initialisms

Postby freiston » 29 Sep 2019, 10:01am

I like self-referencing acronyms - like the Linux facility for running Windows programmes: "WINE" which stands for Wine Is Not (an) Emulator. That particular example is classified as a recursive backronym by Wikipedia.
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Re: Initialisms

Postby freiston » 29 Sep 2019, 10:10am

The utility cyclist wrote:
Chris Jeggo wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:No, they aren't wrong, dictionaries themselves change with popular use/acceptance in modern language, thus they are correct in changing the meaning of acronym as people adapt and accept it in common use.
This is what nirakaro was saying.


Brucey did not say the dictionaries are wrong; indeed he put the word 'wrong' in quotes. I sympathise with him regarding usage. When two words have similar but distinct meanings it reduces the power of the language for precise expression when incorrect use becomes widespread.

We'll beg to differ on that, he clearly said they were including the wrong meaning, it's not 'wrong' or wrong if it is in fact the accepted use, it has therefore changed in meaning because of popularity.

I hate the misuse of "literally", which, I recall hearing, has caused one dictionary to include its use as an intensifier adverb.

I understand that the word "nice" used to mean stupid or foolish - which makes the phrase "awfully nice but dim" a bit of a repetition.
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