Can anyone identify this head badge?

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Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby Seanick » 1 Jan 2020, 9:27pm

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I have owned this bike for about 40 years. When I got it I was about 11 or twelve. I painted it red, then green, over the original black. About twenty years ago it crossed the channel with me, an I spent six weeks riding around Paris on it. It's about time I treated it to a new set of rims and a restoration! I recently started wondering what it was, and today removed the paint over the very feint badge.
My nearest guess so far is a pre war Enfield, having found a picture of an identical frame in a book. However I still cannot find reference to the above badge anywhere!


Any ideas?

Thanks, Nick.

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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby colin54 » 2 Jan 2020, 10:11am

Phillips perhaps ?
Short 5 minute publicity film here from the fifties which shows the head badge at one point.
The line under the Phillips name looks like it might be something similar to yours, or not ,
hard to tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDy0cseFUA0

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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby gaz » 2 Jan 2020, 10:14am

Can't help with the head badge. Drive train on the left hand side strikes me as somewhat unusual.

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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby colin54 » 2 Jan 2020, 10:26am

gaz wrote:Can't help with the head badge. Drive train on the left hand side strikes me as somewhat unusual.

Trust me not to notice the obvious !
Another Phillips publicity film here, with soundtrack, worth watching anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZue9fJEBgk

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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby LollyKat » 2 Jan 2020, 10:48am

gaz wrote:Drive train on the left hand side strikes me as somewhat unusual.


Drive train is normal - some of the photos have been flipped. You can see this from the name 'Bontrager' on the tyre in the upper left of the first and last (identical) picture.

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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby Mick F » 2 Jan 2020, 10:54am

LollyKat wrote:
gaz wrote:Drive train on the left hand side strikes me as somewhat unusual.


Drive train is normal - some of the photos have been flipped. You can see this from the name 'Bontrager' on the tyre in the upper left of the first and last (identical) picture.
You beat me to it! :D
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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby Mick F » 2 Jan 2020, 11:00am

I've got a Moulton with the drive on the left. :wink:
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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby Debs » 2 Jan 2020, 11:50am

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Maybe it was one of these: (?)

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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby rmurphy195 » 2 Jan 2020, 1:50pm

Almost certainly Raleigh I would think, by the shape
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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby fastpedaller » 2 Jan 2020, 5:04pm

Mick F wrote:I've got a Moulton with the drive on the left. :wink:
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I want one! - where did you get the left -handed derailleur? :wink:

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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby tim-b » 2 Jan 2020, 5:07pm

Hi
Warwick?
Elswick (not Hopper)?
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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby eileithyia » 2 Jan 2020, 5:19pm

Debs wrote:Image

Maybe it was one of these: (?)

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That was my thinking.
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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby Seanick » 2 Jan 2020, 7:38pm

Wow guys, thanks for all your replies! Yes, the picture of the whole bike was flipped on photo editor. I did that to compare it to a pic I have of a Royal Enfield army bicycle I have. Apart from the front crank, it's identical.

I don't think it's a Raleigh badge. It may appear so but there are two chunks of original black paint missing that makes the top look like the head of the Bird.
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I think it's a crown surrounded by a laurel wreath, with another crown on top.

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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby Seanick » 4 Jan 2020, 4:53pm

After much interweaving, I reckon it's an early Dawes.
You can see the D, and the torch handle and flame.
Maybe this version had a wreath around it too.
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Re: Can anyone identify this head badge?

Postby Debs » 4 Jan 2020, 6:47pm

colin54 wrote:Another Phillips publicity film here, with soundtrack, worth watching anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZue9fJEBgk


Thanks for posting the youtube link film, i wanted to buy one after watching that! :D

You maybe right about it being a Phillips.

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