recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

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recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby nez » 7 Feb 2020, 10:08am

Do you think of a Garmin 510 as a recent device? I do, though I've had mine for a couple of years. When it stopped working I went through a rigmarole on their website support section to be told "I'm afraid that The device you require is now discontinued and we do not plan to manufacture anymore. We can however offer a Trade in Trade up service, this will allow you to get a 30% refund when you purchase an upgraded device from us and then return your current device. " I think the battery is probably cream cracked and am horribly tempted to open it to see. What I won't be doing is buying a new premium price device from Garmin, discount or not. I've more respect for the environment than to simply abandon devices without even looking to see if anything is wrong. Does anyone have a recommendations for a simple handlebar device? I don't need map reading

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby Marcus Aurelius » 7 Feb 2020, 10:10am

What info do you need from the device?

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby nez » 7 Feb 2020, 10:13am

Trip, time elapsed, record a track, sometimes use HR, speed, altitude (very useful in Essex!). The simple stuff.

ps it's so exciting to be writing to Marcus Aurelius. Did you really throw the legion's eagle into a river in Lusitania?

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby PH » 7 Feb 2020, 10:42am

If yours is a battery problem, they’re not hard to replace. YouTube will show you how and replacements on eBay.
Out of warranty repairs are uneconomical on many modern electronics, that’s the way of the world whether we like it or not.

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby nez » 7 Feb 2020, 10:54am

PH wrote:If yours is a battery problem, they’re not hard to replace. YouTube will show you how and replacements on eBay.
Out of warranty repairs are uneconomical on many modern electronics, that’s the way of the world whether we like it or not.

Without wishing to be rude, this doesn't add up. They are either easy to replace or they're uneconomical. Can't be both. Producers of electronic and plastic devices as big as Garmin have a greater responsibility than just 'produce and scrap', otherwise we're all wasting our time cutting down on plastic use and sorting our recycling.'

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby Paulatic » 7 Feb 2020, 11:01am

nez wrote:[otherwise we're all wasting our time cutting down on plastic use and sorting our recycling.'


I’ve long suspected it’s similar to cutting down railings for the 'war effort'. It’s to make you feel like you’re helping.
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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby horizon » 7 Feb 2020, 11:05am

nez wrote:Do you think of a Garmin 510 as a recent device? I do, though I've had mine for a couple of years. When it stopped working I went through a rigmarole on their website support section to be told "I'm afraid that The device you require is now discontinued and we do not plan to manufacture anymore. We can however offer a Trade in Trade up service, this will allow you to get a 30% refund when you purchase an upgraded device from us and then return your current device. " I think the battery is probably cream cracked and am horribly tempted to open it to see. What I won't be doing is buying a new premium price device from Garmin, discount or not. I've more respect for the environment than to simply abandon devices without even looking to see if anything is wrong. Does anyone have a recommendations for a simple handlebar device? I don't need map reading


I know nothing about Garmins or GPS but my impression from what you have written is that Garmin will in fact trade old units on and recoup some of the discount. I just cannot see the rationale otherwise for their taking yours back.
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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby thatsnotmyname » 7 Feb 2020, 11:07am

nez wrote:Does anyone have a recommendations for a simple handlebar device? I don't need map reading


Take a look at some of the Bryton devices, they get some pretty good reviews and are a good alternative to Garmin.

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby nez » 7 Feb 2020, 11:10am

<<I know nothing about Garmins or GPS but my impression from what you have written is that Garmin will in fact trade old units on and recoup some of the discount. I just cannot see the rationale otherwise for their taking yours back.>>

They aren't offering to do that. I expect it's more a customer loyalty thing.

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby nez » 7 Feb 2020, 11:10am

thatsnotmyname wrote:
nez wrote:Does anyone have a recommendations for a simple handlebar device? I don't need map reading


Take a look at some of the Bryton devices, they get some pretty good reviews and are a good alternative to Garmin.


Thanks.

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby Psamathe » 7 Feb 2020, 11:16am

nez wrote:
PH wrote:If yours is a battery problem, they’re not hard to replace. YouTube will show you how and replacements on eBay.
Out of warranty repairs are uneconomical on many modern electronics, that’s the way of the world whether we like it or not.

Without wishing to be rude, this doesn't add up. They are either easy to replace or they're uneconomical. Can't be both....

They can be un-economical for Garmin to replace but economical for a DIY replacement. Cost of shipping two ways, keeping stocks for older devices, etc. can make it un-economical for a manufacturer but a DIY job using 3rd party batteries can be economical.

nez wrote:.....Producers of electronic and plastic devices as big as Garmin have a greater responsibility than just 'produce and scrap', otherwise we're all wasting our time cutting down on plastic use and sorting our recycling.'

Why do you assume Garmin would scrap the device rather than recycle?

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby nez » 7 Feb 2020, 11:19am

<<Why do you assume Garmin would scrap the device rather than recycle?>>

If they are recycling they're doing it via a round trip to China - the only suppliers of spare/refurb parts I can find are in Shenzhen

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby PH » 7 Feb 2020, 11:27am

Psamathe wrote:
nez wrote:
PH wrote:If yours is a battery problem, they’re not hard to replace. YouTube will show you how and replacements on eBay.
Out of warranty repairs are uneconomical on many modern electronics, that’s the way of the world whether we like it or not.

Without wishing to be rude, this doesn't add up. They are either easy to replace or they're uneconomical. Can't be both....

They can be un-economical for Garmin to replace but economical for a DIY replacement. Cost of shipping two ways, keeping stocks for older devices, etc. can make it un-economical for a manufacturer but a DIY job using 3rd party batteries can be economical.

Ian

Thank you Ian, possibly a better reply than I’d have managed.
There’s also the failure factor, if only half those returned can be repaired, who pays for those that can’t?
As for the environmental impact, there’s probably more waste in the average weekly shop than a Garmin. None of it is good, but it should be seen in proportion.

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby Psamathe » 7 Feb 2020, 11:44am

nez wrote:<<Why do you assume Garmin would scrap the device rather than recycle?>>

If they are recycling they're doing it via a round trip to China - the only suppliers of spare/refurb parts I can find are in Shenzhen

You can recycle something without keeping it in its form. e.g. you can recycle an empty squash bottle into e.g. part of a fleece. So Garmin might recycle materials NOT keeping it as a GPS. When you buy an electronic device you always accept that it will not last forever - the crucial thing is what happens to it's materials (i.e. not going into landfill and not polluting the environment).

Note: seems your device can be repaired, just not by Garmin. Seems weird your requiring a specific company to carry out your repair.

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Re: recommendation for simple bike GPS? and a warning about Garmin devices

Postby horizon » 7 Feb 2020, 12:17pm

nez wrote:<<I know nothing about Garmins or GPS but my impression from what you have written is that Garmin will in fact trade old units on and recoup some of the discount. I just cannot see the rationale otherwise for their taking yours back.>>

They aren't offering to do that. I expect it's more a customer loyalty thing.


I thought from what you said that that is exactly what they are offering? If they are simply offering you a 30% discount as an existing customer, that is one thing - but they are insisting (it would appear) on getting their hands on your old unit.
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