Camera recommendations

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Jd843
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Camera recommendations

Postby Jd843 » 18 Jun 2020, 9:20pm

Hi

I’d like to buy a camera to have on my road bike, for safety reasons.

I think I’d like a front camera as I feel like this would capture both close passes and drivers overtaking into oncoming traffic. I would like as little hassle as possible to use it - as easy as using my Garmin for every ride, just take it off charge, pop it on the bike and press one button to record if possible. Is it possible to get cameras that go on the bike using the same mount as a Garmin? My handlebars are narrow so I’ve not got much room for any extra mounts there.

Other important things to me are good enough quality to capture number plates, and battery life of at least 3 hours.

Would appreciate any recommendations.

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Colgrenfell » 18 Jun 2020, 9:42pm

Just my 2 cents... and others will have wildly differing opinions..
I was in a similar situation, wanting a camera to document in case of accidents.. really didn’t want to spend hundreds on a GoPro

To be clear if i had the money I’d have gone GoPro, from research, stabilisation and image quality seem second to none.. I also like the look of the cycliq cameras, but they are also super spendy..and build quality seems questionable from reviews..

In the end I went for an apeman 4K camera from amazon - £39 with a wide array of mounts.. its fine for its purpose and captures licence plates pretty well.. Battery life a bit rubbish at around an hour - comes with a spare battery..

Despite the wide array of mounts it came with - they were all a bit shonky and plastic.. and were fiddly for getting on and off the bike - I’ve got a top peak bar extender it attaches to.

Regardless of which camera you get - I cant recommend enough the small rig camera mount - https://www.smallrig.com/clamp-mount-v1-w-ball-head-mount-and-coolclamp-1124.html It’s fantastic, not the lightest, but super sturdy and attaches to the bike very quickly and very securely..

Hope this is of some use...

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Farrina » 21 Jun 2020, 2:24pm

I use a Fly 12 CE - unfortunately they are not cheap. As an added bonus onboard light is very effective (at least for daytime use). Typically I am only out for circa 4 hours, but battery has barely dropped below 50%.

https://cycliq.com/bike-cameras/fly12ce/?v=79cba1185463

At the time of posting they are discounted on Wiggle to circa £230 (need to also buy a SD card - I use a 64GB one in mine)

https://www.wiggle.co.uk/cycliq-fly12-c ... ont-light/

If you are short on bar space try this, a duo mount https://cycliq.com/product/duo-mount/?v=79cba1185463 which I have used successfully for 18 months on my Fly 12 CE. I use it combined with a Garmin 1030

You’ll also need one of these to mount the camera https://cycliq.com/product/universal-ad ... cba1185463

I sourced my brackets from Wiggle/Sigmasports - unfortunately they appear to be quite scarce at present.

There is some recorded footage here (note this link may have disappeared for future readers). My footage also includes some from my rear camera (Fly6 CE).

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... WlilEsb_99

Whilst I am not out to “bag” naughty drivers, there have been a few shocks (with brown envelopes) for recalcitrant drivers. Number 48 rear in the incidents directory is IMHO a bit of a shocker (and driver was spanked by the Police based on my submitted footage).

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby TrevA » 21 Jun 2020, 3:01pm

I also have the Fly12, which is combined light and camera, with great battery life, probably 6 hours. However, it is a bit of a lump and weighs a fair bit. Not a problem for me, as my bike isn’t super light anyway. Mine came with the SD card and with various mounts included. You can use Go Pro mounts.

I’m looking for something a bit lighter for the summer bike. Have a look at Chilli Tech, they do a bullet cam for about £70. Can be mounted on helmet or handlebars.
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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Cowsham » 21 Jun 2020, 3:16pm

Farrina wrote:I use a Fly 12 CE - unfortunately they are not cheap. As an added bonus onboard light is very effective (at least for daytime use). Typically I am only out for circa 4 hours, but battery has barely dropped below 50%.

https://cycliq.com/bike-cameras/fly12ce/?v=79cba1185463

At the time of posting they are discounted on Wiggle to circa £230 (need to also buy a SD card - I use a 64GB one in mine)

https://www.wiggle.co.uk/cycliq-fly12-c ... ont-light/

If you are short on bar space try this, a duo mount https://cycliq.com/product/duo-mount/?v=79cba1185463 which I have used successfully for 18 months on my Fly 12 CE. I use it combined with a Garmin 1030

You’ll also need one of these to mount the camera https://cycliq.com/product/universal-ad ... cba1185463

I sourced my brackets from Wiggle/Sigmasports - unfortunately they appear to be quite scarce at present.

There is some recorded footage here (note this link may have disappeared for future readers). My footage also includes some from my rear camera (Fly6 CE).

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... WlilEsb_99

Whilst I am not out to “bag” naughty drivers, there have been a few shocks (with brown envelopes) for recalcitrant drivers. Number 48 rear in the incidents directory is IMHO a bit of a shocker (and driver was spanked by the Police based on my submitted footage).


Number 48 was close and glad to see you got a thump in first, but didn't see your hand signal before you moved out to overtake the car parked on your side of the road ( clearly seen by your shadow the rear camera video )
I always let the cars know where I'm going and I know the driver should have had time to see you as you pulled out to pass and they didn't wait till you got back in but the sun was low in the sky in front of you.

There's the 3 factors that a very bad accident can come from
1 no hand signal --- cyclist error
2 no patience or anticipation of what you'd do -- driver error.
3 a low sun -- unusual circumstance of nature situation.

When I see that last factor I make sure everything else is right to lower the risk of a cumulative bad result. It still happens but not as often.

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Jd843 » 21 Jun 2020, 9:53pm

Thanks all!

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Farrina » 21 Jun 2020, 10:33pm

Cowsham ...
"Number 48 was close and glad to see you got a thump in first, but didn't see your hand signal before you moved out to overtake the car parked on your side of the road ( clearly seen by your shadow the rear camera video )
I always let the cars know where I'm going and I know the driver should have had time to see you as you pulled out to pass and they didn't wait till you got back in but the sun was low in the sky in front of you.


Always interesting to have an independent view from a fellow cyclist - all very valid points.

The road is actually steeper than it looks in the video.

I’m not sure if you have had an opportunity to view the front footage (which admittedly is not as sharp owing to the Sun) but the road is quite “tight” at this point with an oncoming blind bend - hence the continuous white line. Irrespective of the parked vehicle, I would not expect a competent driver to attempt an overtake here.

Regrettably I’ve had multiple “incidents” at this point predominantly caused IMHO by inattentive/impatient drivers. If there was an alternative route I would take it.

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Cowsham » 21 Jun 2020, 11:50pm

I looked at the front view first -- wondered what the bang was thought he'd hit you then realised it was you giving his car a good slap when I saw the rear view.

The driver should not have overtaken you till you got back in tight at the least. When there's a car parked on your side of the road you must wait till the road is clear before overtaking cos the law is not on your side ( with the parked car or cycle :D ) it's on the oncoming traffic side. I learned this lesson the expensive way many years ago.
Even though the road was wide enough to let me pass and I didn't cross the centre line. An oncoming car travelling at high speed crossed the centre line and hit my car before I'd even passed the parked car but had moved out nearer the centre line intending to. Don't know why the other driver had to take my side of the road.

I like a fool decided to take a different view from the police who arrived at the scene a few min later and I ended up in court with a fine. ( long before points on your licence 30 years ago last month ) a dash cam would have been handy in 1990.

Good wee camera that -- you can see the reg of the car well -- does it come as a kit ie rear and forward cameras? And is there any image stablization.

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Farrina » 22 Jun 2020, 7:20am

Cowsham wrote:Good wee camera that -- you can see the reg of the car well -- does it come as a kit ie rear and forward cameras? And is there any image stablization.

The cameras are sold separately (both produced by the same manufacturer- Cycliq) there is a link to their website in one of my earlier posts above. As an aside I note a new Fly6 CE3 is due out August - from a quick look the major changes are the relocation of the charging port/SD access to the side and the reduction to one LED.

I run the front at 1080/30fps with no image stabilisation. I chose the HDR function (which cannot be run simultaneously with stabilisation) as It auto corrects when dropping in/out of heavy shade.

The rear camera does not offer HDR so I run that at 1080/60fps with stabilisation on.

Rear mounts can be a bit problematical and prone to more road vibration (I had a custom mount locally manufactured but its not 100% stable, especially over rough roads. At 60fps there is more chance of obtaining a less blurred image, but it eats up the capacity of your SD card (hence my use of 64GB).

When I have my frame repainted (still running 853 steel!) I’ll have some permanent bosses added to improve matters.

Having used them for a couple of years I have found them reliable and would not want to ride without them. Apart from the supposed “safety” aspects (more likely blame allocation post incident), whilst not Go Pro standards they are good for capturing ride segments whilst on the move.

(Added later) Forgot to mention the flashing strobe lights front/back are very effective even in bright sunshine.

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby rmurphy195 » 22 Jun 2020, 4:00pm

I use a Garmin Virb (the torpedo shaped one), mounted on the handlebars

Big plusses for me are
    Replaceable battery, life now a little over 2 hours, was nearer 3 when batteries were new 5 years ago
    Can leave it on the handlebars to recharge via USB connection
    Can plug in a separate USB power pack, but you need to open up the rubber cover over the connections to do so
    Doesn't need a separate waterproof casing
    Has image stabilisation, but can use this only for certain zoom setting
    Came with sunstantial mount for handlebars
    Fairly discrete - can be mistaken for a lamp
    Can see if its switched on properly when on the handlebars
    Nice big slider switch, good if wearing gloves
    Can get a version with GPS
    Great for just carrying around to take videos at various places (links to a couple of samples below)
    Slips into a pocket quite easily

Minusses for me are
    Angle of view even on ultra-zoom setting is quite wide, so things seem further away, and roads seem wider, than they really are
    Microphone picks up lots of odd noises - wind, spokes twanging, brake and tyre noises
    LOts of sky makes the picture dark, so have it pointing slightly down in use
    A bit heavy for helmet mounting

Examples (Original quality is much better than the youtube uploads)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2luA3nkjZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mggh0TLV83c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U6N2OP89qI&t=18s
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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Cowsham » 22 Jun 2020, 4:51pm

I was looking at a cheap gopro alternative such as the akaso v50 pro. I think the pro is better than the x cos apparently the sound is better. Has image stable, has many features such as time lapse, has two hour battery life, is very light and best of all cheap at around £120.

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Pebble » 22 Jun 2020, 8:27pm

I have had an SJ4000 now for may be a couple of year, ride about 20 hours a week and it hasn't let me down yet, think you can pick them up new for about £50 on fleabay. I have been very impressed with the quality.

pick a minute from todays ride 15:15 to 18:30 and I will upload it - it will give me a chance to see if it is still working, don't think I have checked it for weeks.

be a bit embarrassing if I have to come back and say it wasn't working. Even more embarrassing if I'm taking a leak at that mo.

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby st599_uk » 23 Jun 2020, 12:51pm

If you're mounting at the rear on a pannier rack, the anti-vibration mounts on Banggood work quite well. They can run on handlebars too, but are a bit bulky.
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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby Cowsham » 23 Jun 2020, 1:07pm

st599_uk wrote:If you're mounting at the rear on a pannier rack, the anti-vibration mounts on Banggood work quite well. They can run on handlebars too, but are a bit bulky.


Banggood sounds like some kind of erectile disfunction therapy.

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Re: Camera recommendations

Postby st599_uk » 23 Jun 2020, 1:41pm

:D

It's a Chinese online Business 2 Consumer marketplace. You find most of the stuff turning up on eBay at a markup.
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