Go Outdoors

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Tangled Metal
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Tangled Metal » 23 Jun 2020, 1:19pm

Used to live close enough to Karrimor factory to buy from their factory shop. Amazing deals for top notch stuff that they still gave their gold star guarantee.

As an aside a mate used to return his Karrimor pack under the gold guarantee every couple of years even under sports direct ownership. They honoured it and he always got it back with the repair done plus other work be never noticed it needing. All cleaned and Seth na reproofing treatment for free.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby pete75 » 23 Jun 2020, 11:32pm

Oldjohnw wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:Jd sports, blacks, millets, the once very good ultimate outdoors, and GO possibly among others are not quite as bad as SD. With the qualification that blacks group takeover of ultimate Outdoors turned UO into a cheap tat shop that Mike Ashley couldn't make any worse.

I used to buy a lot from the independent UO in Lancaster. I was such a regular that I once had to return to the shop after a purchase to tell them I was given too much change. I am got told it was ok he'd applied my 20% discount!! I used to ask and get 15% but being a regular they'd decided I on read worth 20%. Although I did spend a lot less there than Pete Bland sports, at that time my annual spend was significant part of my annual pay.

Anyway my point about the blacks group now it's they're going downhill in terms of quality of products sold and practises. IMHO GO is the better retail brand in their portfolio to deal with among all the branches and brands I've used. It's a big deal when they get to make blacks their premier outdoor brand, by making the others cr@p without trying to improve blacks!!!


Decathlon is expanding in the UK and GO can't really compete with them.

I don't think Ashley ruined Karrimor - it was a firm called Cullinor Holdings that did that. From Wikipedia 'Within a day of the 1999 sale completing, new owners Cullinan 'stunned' the company by announcing plans for cessation of existing manufacturing (immediate ending eighty jobs, or a quarter of the workforce)[36][37] and the intention to change Karrimor to a sales, marketing and distribution business.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karrimor

Ok. But we do know that a once highly regarded manufacturer of outdoor gear which included polar trips is now almost good enough for school bags. Boots that would last for years fall apart in no time.

I have never been to Decathlon because the nearest is 60 miles away. The one thing I wanted from them online was out of stock or was only available in store.

I mainly use Cotswold or Alpkit online. I get footwear fitted at Tiso.


Things change. Time was Britain was renowned for high quality engineering. These days the expression British engineer is almost an oxymoron.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Tangled Metal » 24 Jun 2020, 12:44am

British engineering is still good in places it's just multinational now and engineering isn't a protected profession like in many other countries with more regards for engineers. Over here engineers are car mechanics in many people's eyes. In Germany engineers have a title like doctors and as a nation they're fiercely protective of the title engineer.

Look around the built environment around the world and British engineers and architects are involved (a civil engineering with architecture course lecturer once told me architects draw pretty pictures but engineers make those pictures reality). One classic example IIRC was that high bridge in France which IIRC Sarkosy opened with a big flourish praising what French engineers can do, only the reality was it was a British engineers in a british company that designed / built it.

Not to say we can't be better at engineering.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby philsknees » 24 Jun 2020, 9:26am

Just for information, latest update on Go Outdoors:
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2020/ ... -pack-deal.

Incidentally I have an acquaintance involved in and eventually part-owner of a long-standing family run camping business who told me years ago that he simply could not understand the GO business plan, unless it had been deliberately devised to fail. His opinion was that both Go and Halfords had few qualms in undercutting the established businesses by selling the cheap, not-fit-for-purpose tents which are to be found in the rubbish skips on many campsites and which more responsible companies wouldn't entertain stocking. The people who bought these tents first experience of camping in UK conditions was often a completely washed out holiday. Most have never set foot on a campsite since which has cost the sector any prospect of a regular future customer base. My acquaintance wasn't prepared to sell similar tat but found it impractical to sell reliable tents in any quantity as the only buyers left were the "newbies" blinded by unfeasibly cheap prices elsewhere. In turn this caused him to reduce his stock levels of quality products which cost him the few remaining long standing customers who wanted them. His business now survives by specialising in quality trailer tents but many others have gone to the wall.....
Finally, re Mike Sales contribution upthread about Blacks tents. The photo posted was of a late model of the 2 man Blacks Mountain tent which had a snow tunnel entrance. The Arctic Guinea was a more conventional 3 man tent with a zip entrance. Both were available in Protex or Ventile cotton and could be had with a flysheet. Both weighed a ton! I bought my state of the art (earlier model) Mountain tent for about £14 when Blacks' catalogue still featured the high altitude Whymper and Meade tents designed for Arctic and Himalayan expeditions.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Tangled Metal » 24 Jun 2020, 9:35am

There was a company that sold cheap tents called Argos. There's whole threads on outdoor forums about the Argos tiger paws tent. After they stopped selling them the secondhand price went right up!! Cheap isn't always tat. Similarly expensive isn't always good. I bought a good wild country tent and the pole snapped after a few days use mid your. No pole repair tube band with it but I had packed one from one of my other, cheaper tents and we were able to continue the tour.

There's some good tents in GO back Vango, Outwell, etc. There's Montane, Merrell, Salomon, Scarpa. There's fjellraven, paramo, haglofs, iirc I even saw arcteryx once. No cheap tat they aren't.

Compare that to some little outdoor shops I've visited, trespass, regatta, etc.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Bmblbzzz » 24 Jun 2020, 1:30pm

For years I looked at the discount card and it didn't make sense for me. Then, late last year, I found one item where GO was cheapest even with the cost of the discount card. So i got one. I think it's both a clumsy iteration of a loyalty card and a source of cash.

I expect their business problems are at least as much down to their business model as COVID. If you want cheaper and easier, there's the internet, supermarkets or second-hand. If you want better and more specialised, there's the internet or the small specialist store. The big box discount warehouse is a market that makes increasingly less sense other than for food.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Jamesh » 25 Jun 2020, 11:17am

Sounds like the landlords were being unfair and not will to give some leeway.

It's a difficult business environment and landlords will have to take a hit as well as the tennants otherwise they will be out of a tenant.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby simonineaston » 25 Jun 2020, 11:25am

by selling the cheap, not-fit-for-purpose tents which are to be found in the rubbish skips
There is a tremendous appetite for cheap, poor-quality, plastic, virtually disposable goods in this country - something to do with poverty, I think. I dread to think what proportion of goods bought from the likes of Argos / Primark etc. etc. end up in the bin, within a year of purchase...
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Oldjohnw » 25 Jun 2020, 11:32am

I think landlords are taking a hit. One of the large developers which runs various malls is on the brink of administration - ok can't remember the name. This of course means the malls will close.

The recent mess has forced us into something we wanted to do for ages: veg box delivery, butcher delivery, tea/coffee delivery. We already used a local baker for stuff we didn't bake and always shopped at the local butcher, and we have a milkman.

Fortunately we are able to buy good stuff in the way of clothing and it always lasts longer. Not everyone can.

I doubt Primark etc set up to help the poor. More likely they pander to a promoted "need" to have new stuff all the time.
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby PH » 25 Jun 2020, 11:57am

Oldjohnw wrote:I think landlords are taking a hit. One of the large developers which runs various malls is on the brink of administration - ok can't remember the name. This of course means the malls will close.

Intu, there's one in Derby, I dislike it intensely, it moved the center of the town to the detriment of all that's around it. Plus it's ugly, a huge grey box with no redeeming features. I'd be overjoyed if it closed and they knocked it down, I suspect that won't happen, someone will step in, most probably with a taxpayers subsidy.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby PH » 25 Jun 2020, 12:12pm

simonineaston wrote:
by selling the cheap, not-fit-for-purpose tents which are to be found in the rubbish skips
There is a tremendous appetite for cheap, poor-quality, plastic, virtually disposable goods in this country - something to do with poverty, I think. I dread to think what proportion of goods bought from the likes of Argos / Primark etc. etc. end up in the bin, within a year of purchase...

In this country? Do you think it isn't the same just about everywhere? Has globalisation passed you by? I'm sure there are some national variations, but I suspect they're minor.
Consumerism is the root of all evil. Quantity has ousted quality as the overriding factor. People take pride in having something new, in such numbers that it becomes the predominant market and hard to avoid. There is no democratic way to reverse this, the providers of tat are largely in control and it suits them too well. It isn't the result of poverty but frequently the cause of it.
We don't have to play the game, though the difference we can make is limited. I don't own much, but what I do tends to be high quality and last well.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Bmblbzzz » 25 Jun 2020, 12:25pm

It's not poverty, certainly not in the usual sense of 'lack of money'. It's the desire for lots, new, instant. In a word, consumerism, as PH says. And it's beyond shopping, it's in everything. At work, and I'm sure this applies to most people's work, while there are a few specific tasks where quality and attention are demanded, most work is wanted quickly at the expense of quality.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Bmblbzzz » 25 Jun 2020, 12:26pm

Meanwhile, Go Outdoors has been taken back into the ownership of JD Sports.
https://off.road.cc/content/news/jd-spo ... nistration
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Oldjohnw » 25 Jun 2020, 12:32pm

Bmblbzzz wrote:It's not poverty, certainly not in the usual sense of 'lack of money'. It's the desire for lots, new, instant. In a word, consumerism, as PH says. And it's beyond shopping, it's in everything. At work, and I'm sure this applies to most people's work, while there are a few specific tasks where quality and attention are demanded, most work is wanted quickly at the expense of quality.


Might even extend to bikes!

+Runs for cover)
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby colin146 » 27 Jun 2020, 4:04pm

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Abandoned tents following a music festival.

When modern day society thinks this is the correct way to go about their business then I despair.

Years ago you fixed / reproofed your Vango or equivalent and made it last, even perhaps passed on to your kids. Now relatively speaking stuff is so cheap it’s used once and becomes someone else’s rubbish problem.