Go Outdoors

General cycling advice ( NOT technical ! )
pete75
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby pete75 » 27 Jun 2020, 4:07pm

colin146 wrote:928CD0D4-5607-4E18-B7EF-912AD89CEC3E.jpeg

Abandoned tents following a music festival.

When modern day society thinks this is the correct way to go about their business then I despair.

Years ago you fixed / reproofed your Vango or equivalent and made it last, even perhaps passed on to your kids. Now relatively speaking stuff is so cheap it’s used once and becomes someone else’s rubbish problem.


Effectively charitable donations. Teams of people go around the campsites after the festival dismantling tents which are then donated to relief charities.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Bmblbzzz » 27 Jun 2020, 5:07pm

Also the relationship between prices of items has changed. Tickets to festivals used to be teenage pocket money, Glastonbury this year is (would have been) £265. Tents used to be expensive, now they're much cheaper than the tickets. We've seen similar relationship changes in more mundane areas too, such as food and housing or clothes and transport.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby colin146 » 27 Jun 2020, 5:32pm

pete75 wrote:
colin146 wrote:928CD0D4-5607-4E18-B7EF-912AD89CEC3E.jpeg

Abandoned tents following a music festival.

When modern day society thinks this is the correct way to go about their business then I despair.

Years ago you fixed / reproofed your Vango or equivalent and made it last, even perhaps passed on to your kids. Now relatively speaking stuff is so cheap it’s used once and becomes someone else’s rubbish problem.


Effectively charitable donations. Teams of people go around the campsites after the festival dismantling tents which are then donated to relief charities.


I could empathise a bit more with that if they had the grace to take it down and pack and leave somewhere. Just walking away still signifies a degree of “so what, not my problem “

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby reohn2 » 27 Jun 2020, 5:46pm

colin146 wrote:
pete75 wrote:
colin146 wrote:928CD0D4-5607-4E18-B7EF-912AD89CEC3E.jpeg

Abandoned tents following a music festival.

When modern day society thinks this is the correct way to go about their business then I despair.

Years ago you fixed / reproofed your Vango or equivalent and made it last, even perhaps passed on to your kids. Now relatively speaking stuff is so cheap it’s used once and becomes someone else’s rubbish problem.


Effectively charitable donations. Teams of people go around the campsites after the festival dismantling tents which are then donated to relief charities.


I could empathise a bit more with that if they had the grace to take it down and pack and leave somewhere. Just walking away still signifies a degree of “so what, not my problem “

Same mentality as Bournemouth beach wallers ! :?
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Oldjohnw » 27 Jun 2020, 7:14pm

A problem today - maybe always? - is the attitude that "I pay my taxes to get someone to clean up."

We know society's view of 'unskilled' labour.
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby wirral_cyclist » 27 Jun 2020, 11:10pm

pete75 wrote:
colin146 wrote:928CD0D4-5607-4E18-B7EF-912AD89CEC3E.jpeg

Abandoned tents following a music festival.

When modern day society thinks this is the correct way to go about their business then I despair.

Years ago you fixed / reproofed your Vango or equivalent and made it last, even perhaps passed on to your kids. Now relatively speaking stuff is so cheap it’s used once and becomes someone else’s rubbish problem.


Effectively charitable donations. Teams of people go around the campsites after the festival dismantling tents which are then donated to relief charities.


But not true, festivals goers might like to think they could be used but they are simply so bad to be no use. Probably they all know they can't be used but tell everyone how giving they are - when in fact they are the opposite.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Cyril Haearn » 28 Jun 2020, 8:17am

Bmblbzzz wrote:Also the relationship between prices of items has changed. Tickets to festivals used to be teenage pocket money, Glastonbury this year is (would have been) £265. Tents used to be expensive, now they're much cheaper than the tickets. We've seen similar relationship changes in more mundane areas too, such as food and housing or clothes and transport.

Do you have empirical evidence? :wink:
Sorry, I think that is partly right, had not occurred to me. I guess festivals were spontaneous, chaotic, back then. Now they are business
Not sure about clothes and transport, I think both have got cheaper. Maybe the offer prices have spread, cycles for example can now be very very cheap or very expensive
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby pete75 » 28 Jun 2020, 9:08am

wirral_cyclist wrote:
pete75 wrote:
colin146 wrote:928CD0D4-5607-4E18-B7EF-912AD89CEC3E.jpeg

Abandoned tents following a music festival.

When modern day society thinks this is the correct way to go about their business then I despair.

Years ago you fixed / reproofed your Vango or equivalent and made it last, even perhaps passed on to your kids. Now relatively speaking stuff is so cheap it’s used once and becomes someone else’s rubbish problem.


Effectively charitable donations. Teams of people go around the campsites after the festival dismantling tents which are then donated to relief charities.


But not true, festivals goers might like to think they could be used but they are simply so bad to be no use. Probably they all know they can't be used but tell everyone how giving they are - when in fact they are the opposite.


It is true for many of the tents. In any case what the hell business of yours is it if a person buys a tent and decides to use it only once?

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Cyril Haearn » 28 Jun 2020, 9:13am

pete75 wrote:
wirral_cyclist wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Effectively charitable donations. Teams of people go around the campsites after the festival dismantling tents which are then donated to relief charities.


But not true, festivals goers might like to think they could be used but they are simply so bad to be no use. Probably they all know they can't be used but tell everyone how giving they are - when in fact they are the opposite.


It is true for many of the tents. In any case what the hell business of yours is it if a person buys a tent and decides to use it only once?

It is all our business, criminal waste of resources
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby pete75 » 28 Jun 2020, 9:41am

Cyril Haearn wrote:
pete75 wrote:
wirral_cyclist wrote:
But not true, festivals goers might like to think they could be used but they are simply so bad to be no use. Probably they all know they can't be used but tell everyone how giving they are - when in fact they are the opposite.


It is true for many of the tents. In any case what the hell business of yours is it if a person buys a tent and decides to use it only once?

It is all our business, criminal waste of resources


Folk can do what the hell they like with their own money/possessions as long as it's not illegal. The fact you may disapprove doesn't make it criminal.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby Bmblbzzz » 28 Jun 2020, 10:49am

Cyril Haearn wrote:
Bmblbzzz wrote:Also the relationship between prices of items has changed. Tickets to festivals used to be teenage pocket money, Glastonbury this year is (would have been) £265. Tents used to be expensive, now they're much cheaper than the tickets. We've seen similar relationship changes in more mundane areas too, such as food and housing or clothes and transport.

Do you have empirical evidence? :wink:
Sorry, I think that is partly right, had not occurred to me. I guess festivals were spontaneous, chaotic, back then. Now they are business
Not sure about clothes and transport, I think both have got cheaper. Maybe the offer prices have spread, cycles for example can now be very very cheap or very expensive

Clothes have definitely got cheaper. For transport, I was thinking of bus and train fares rather than bikes, cars and so on. I'd agree you can buy a bike or a car comparatively cheaper than back in the 80s.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby PH » 28 Jun 2020, 1:08pm

pete75 wrote:In any case what the hell business of yours is it if a person buys a tent and decides to use it only once?

The waste of finite resources ought to be the business of us all. The selfish attitude that people can do whatever they want and to hell with future generations has to stop.
One of the stories in this weeks headlines is the microplastics in fruit and vegetables. Do you think that is none of my business? Or are you unable to link the waste and its consequences?

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby reohn2 » 28 Jun 2020, 1:12pm

PH wrote:
pete75 wrote:In any case what the hell business of yours is it if a person buys a tent and decides to use it only once?

The waste of finite resources ought to be the business of us all. The selfish attitude that people can do whatever they want and to hell with future generations has to stop.
One of the stories in this weeks headlines is the microplastics in fruit and vegetables. Do you think that is none of my business? Or are you unable to link the waste and its consequences?

I agree and I also think somethings that are now quite legal need clamping down on and making illegal,especially single use plastics.
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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby pete75 » 28 Jun 2020, 3:14pm

PH wrote:
pete75 wrote:In any case what the hell business of yours is it if a person buys a tent and decides to use it only once?

The waste of finite resources ought to be the business of us all. The selfish attitude that people can do whatever they want and to hell with future generations has to stop.
One of the stories in this weeks headlines is the microplastics in fruit and vegetables. Do you think that is none of my business? Or are you unable to link the waste and its consequences?


What I think is that you should mind your own business and let others mind theirs. The number of sanctimonious "I know what's best for everyone else" types appears to be increasing at a rapid rate.

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Re: Go Outdoors

Postby pete75 » 28 Jun 2020, 3:16pm

wirral_cyclist wrote:
pete75 wrote:
colin146 wrote:928CD0D4-5607-4E18-B7EF-912AD89CEC3E.jpeg

Abandoned tents following a music festival.

When modern day society thinks this is the correct way to go about their business then I despair.

Years ago you fixed / reproofed your Vango or equivalent and made it last, even perhaps passed on to your kids. Now relatively speaking stuff is so cheap it’s used once and becomes someone else’s rubbish problem.


Effectively charitable donations. Teams of people go around the campsites after the festival dismantling tents which are then donated to relief charities.


But not true, festivals goers might like to think they could be used but they are simply so bad to be no use. Probably they all know they can't be used but tell everyone how giving they are - when in fact they are the opposite.

Well if the tents are so bad to be of no use after being up for a few days you need to blame the manufacturers not the festival goers.