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Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 2 Oct 2020, 1:38pm
by 9494arnold
Does anyone recognise this old frame ?

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 2 Oct 2020, 6:12pm
by Bogawski
Congrats on a 1000 posts, frame looks large to me.

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 2 Oct 2020, 6:38pm
by mumbojumbo
I guess its steel and worth £15-17.Beautiful patina.

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 2 Oct 2020, 6:56pm
by rjb
There's some inscription on the inside of the left chainstay. This may help you. It also looks like several of the braze on's have been added later.

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 2 Oct 2020, 7:23pm
by mumbojumbo

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 2 Oct 2020, 7:40pm
by 9494arnold
It's not a particularly large frame, it has a pair of brakes that fit on to braze ons but NOT like Mafac/ Weinman Cantilevers, the braze ons are a slotted plate (similar to the Mudguard Mounts lower down the tubes)
It's in the hands of a framebuilder who had been around for a week or two and he is convince he has seen that bracing betwixt rear brake and seat tube before (and it's not Sun Manxman / Manx TT or a 'Jug Handle' (Joe Cook Imperial Petrel Super Rigid) )

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 2 Oct 2020, 10:08pm
by Brucey
is that the remains of a 'Burlite' front brake?

Maybe it is one of these;

http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/road.html

Frame (angle and headset-wise) looks very 1930s to me, other than that I have no idea. I can't help but think I have seen something like it before though. Both the brakes and the bracing may be later additions to the frame, rather than original equipment, so 1930s frameset, 1940s brakes or something...?

BTW the slots may be so that different wheel sizes can be accommodated; a slot allowing 1/2" of movement is sufficient to allow the brake to be used on 26 x 1-1/4" (597) and sprint (622 equivalent) rim sizes.

cheers

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 7 Oct 2020, 8:46am
by 9494arnold
We now believe this is a Frank Southall Frame.
Thanks for all your input, particularly impressed with a link to the Brakes List, which has told us the Brakes on the frame a Bowden. :)

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 7 Oct 2020, 3:42pm
by Brucey
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'Bowden' were big in brakes at the start of the twentieth century.

This 'Hercules Southall' looks very similar to yours (eg the rear light braze-on, on the seat stay) but the brakes are different. Whether that puts it at a different date I am not sure. No bracing on the stays though.

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AFAICT Southall turned 'pro' in 1933 so presumably 'Southall' models come this date or after.

cheers

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 8 Oct 2020, 3:01pm
by Bmblbzzz
Cyclist up to date
This is the lady whose hideous fate

I'm not sure about number 8.

Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame

Posted: 10 Oct 2020, 8:11pm
by peetee