Covid Infection boundaries

[mumbojumbo]

In often visit Eyam where the villagers self-isolated to save others.They placed coins in a well to finance food deliveries.A lot of posters are condemning those who break the guiudelines of a lockdown.I do hope those people put similar energy into combatting air pollution,poverty and food-deprivation,excess and needless air and car travel.All these cause excess deaths.

[col2019]

that is the point stick to the rules to help save lives or the nhs will be over run and other people that are waiting for other treatments cant get it

[djnotts]

I shall be in T3 from Thursday. Although as far as I know not illegal so to do, the advice is not to cross the boundary unless essential. My daily pedal (into Leicestershire this a.m.) does not come into that category so I will tailor my route accordingly. I don't stop and meet people, but if e.g. I crash then contact inevitable.

[TrevA]

I shall be in T3 from Thursday. Although as far as I know not illegal so to do, the advice is not to cross the boundary unless essential. My daily pedal (into Leicestershire this a.m.) does not come into that category so I will tailor my route accordingly. I don't stop and meet people, but if e.g. I crash then contact inevitable.

The whole of Notts will be in Tier 3. So you can cycle 50 miles to Misterton in north Notts, but you can’t cycle 10 miles to Long Clawson.

[djnotts]

I shall be in T3 from Thursday. Although as far as I know not illegal so to do, the advice is not to cross the boundary unless essential. My daily pedal (into Leicestershire this a.m.) does not come into that category so I will tailor my route accordingly. I don't stop and meet people, but if e.g. I crash then contact inevitable.

The whole of Notts will be in Tier 3. So you can cycle 50 miles to Misterton in north Notts, but you can’t cycle 10 miles to Long Clawson.

I know that now! But it was a late amendment.

[Jdsk]

I don't stop and meet people, but if e.g. I crash then contact inevitable.

I've already expressed *elsewhere my extreme caution about transmission. But I don't think that the risk of contact in the unlikely event of needing medical assistance or rescue while walking or cycling outdoors and away from other people should put anyone off. Exercise really is that important and that beneficial!

NB Gyms are completely different.

Jonathan

* https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=139743&p=1543345&hilit=boundaries#p1543345

[djnotts]

I don't stop and meet people, but if e.g. I crash then contact inevitable.

I've already expressed *elsewhere my extreme caution about transmission. But I don't think that the risk of contact in the unlikely event of needing medical assistance or rescue while walking or cycling outdoors and away from other people should put anyone off. Exercise really is that important and that beneficial!

NB Gyms are completely different.

Jonathan

* https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=139743&p=1543345&hilit=boundaries#p1543345

My comment was in context of crossing border of T3. I intend continuing to solo (and indeed to go on distanced Notts CTC Rides), but see no reason to go into lower Tier areas.

[TrevA]

I may stray into north Leics on some rides, as it’s only advisory and there are more cafes on the Leics side - Bottesford, Belvoir, Dove Cottage, Stathern, Long Clawson. The actual border between Notts and Leics makes no sense. There’s one road where if you ride on the one side of the road, you are in Leics and if you ride on the other side you are in Notts. It would be quite easy to cross into Leics and not even know, there are no signs on most minor roads.

[Oldjohnw]

One of the circular routes I take travels along one side of the River Tweed and back along the other, which means I am partly by in Scotland. I use a monor road/track just at the point where I cross the border and there is no national boundary sign.

I am in level 2. The Scottish borders are Scottish level 1.

PS Borders confirmed on L2, the same.

[The utility cyclist]

that is the point stick to the rules to help save lives or the nhs will be over run and other people that are waiting for other treatments cant get it

The NHS has had 8 months to get prepared, has had hardly any patients in hospital AND there are no excess deaths no additional people in hospital compared to previous years, what evidence do you have that the NHS will be over run? What evidence do you have that there's a second wave and that sticking to the rules does anything you and others claim it does?
ALL the evidence tells us that sticking to the rules increases the death toll, or are the leading cancer specialists and others stating that we will have many tens of thousands of additional cancer deaths plus tens of thousands from other ailments just not registering?
LOCKDOWN and MASKS DOES NOT WORK!

[ChrisDay]

I wish it was true that hospitals are not full and that there are no excess deaths - I work with n hospital and I can assure you it is very full - over 100 patients with serious COVID infection and sadly many more deaths than usual. I do agree with the concern that other services have suffered - we have continued to operate newborn ntensive care normally throughout the pandemic but I am concerned about the corona-casualties in other specialities that were so acutely closed down in the spring.

Oh, and masks worn indoors work at protecting others and for surgical style masks and above, also protecting the wearer. This isn’t just opinion but I wouldn’t want to join a randomised controlled trial to provide very best evidence!

Ride carefully but take care!

Chris

[pwa]

that is the point stick to the rules to help save lives or the nhs will be over run and other people that are waiting for other treatments cant get it

The NHS has had 8 months to get prepared, has had hardly any patients in hospital AND there are no excess deaths no additional people in hospital compared to previous years, what evidence do you have that the NHS will be over run? What evidence do you have that there's a second wave and that sticking to the rules does anything you and others claim it does?
ALL the evidence tells us that sticking to the rules increases the death toll, or are the leading cancer specialists and others stating that we will have many tens of thousands of additional cancer deaths plus tens of thousands from other ailments just not registering?
LOCKDOWN and MASKS DOES NOT WORK!

Depends what you mean by "work". There were excess deaths during the first wave and the lockdown introduced to tackle that did return the death rate to normal by July. It did work in that regard. It is arguable that by keeping people away from health provision we may have a significant increase in cancer deaths down the line. That bit of what you say is true. Lockdown is not a viable long term way of dealing with the virus. It is too costly in all sorts of ways. But it is all we have got right now. Fingers crossed for one or more effective vaccines as we go into next year.

We are in the middle of a crisis at the moment and it would be great if people could pull in the same direction. But I think modern society is too fragmented to act in unison. China, with its authoritarian society, has cracked down on the virus quite impressively, but in the West we are weaker in our response because we tolerate dissenters undermining the national effort. I have heard it said that the Chinese leaders have seen this as an endorsement of their control over their people and their rejection of free speech. They tell folk to stay indoors and they stay indoors. And the virus wanes. Here we have every contrarian coming up with their own theories and not following official guidance and our control of the virus is weaker because of it.

It is fortunate that we did not have the internet during World War Two because if we had there is no way that the democracies would have been able to act in a cohesive way against the autocracies. The national unity that was needed then is something we can no longer summon up.

[Jamesh]

that is the point stick to the rules to help save lives or the nhs will be over run and other people that are waiting for other treatments cant get it

The NHS has had 8 months to get prepared, has had hardly any patients in hospital AND there are no excess deaths no additional people in hospital compared to previous years, what evidence do you have that the NHS will be over run? What evidence do you have that there's a second wave and that sticking to the rules does anything you and others claim it does?
ALL the evidence tells us that sticking to the rules increases the death toll, or are the leading cancer specialists and others stating that we will have many tens of thousands of additional cancer deaths plus tens of thousands from other ailments just not registering?
LOCKDOWN and MASKS DOES NOT WORK!

Please try and look at the facts on the ground.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54718318

Cheers James

[Oldjohnw]

I don't quite understand why or how the UC thinks the NHS had 8 months to prepare for something which doesn't exist.

[Jdsk]

Or whether cancer exists.

Let them eat laetrile.

Jonathan