Post-Brexit - buying bike parts abroad . . (incl. Rose/DutchBikeParts)

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Re: Post-Brexit - buying bike parts abroad . . (incl. Rose/DutchBikeParts)

Postby st599_uk » 17 Jan 2021, 8:43am

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... businesses

Has a rundown of the new charges for sending parcels to the EU.
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Postby TrevA » 21 Jan 2021, 10:11am

Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55734277
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Postby Sweep » 21 Jan 2021, 11:26am

TrevA wrote:Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55734277

yep
I saw that - no non tariff barriers my ***.

I must say I am far less hopeful than I was a while ago of Rose being able to work through this.

Even if they can be bothered.
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Postby TrevA » 21 Jan 2021, 11:30am

Sweep wrote:
TrevA wrote:Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55734277

yep
I saw that - no non tariff barriers my ***.

I must say I am far less hopeful than I was a while ago of Rose being able to work through this.

Even if they can be bothered.


The answer would seem to be for EU online shops to have a physical warehouse in the UK, but I don’t think most will want to do this. Or for the government to sort this unholy mess out.
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Postby simonhill » 21 Jan 2021, 12:42pm

The complaints about the current fiasco, err sorry, temporary teething problems are growing. More reports from different trade bodies in the press every day.

Unfortunately they are buried under the Covid news enabling the Govt to keep their head down.

Much like Jacob Rees Mogg proudly saying that fish that weren't being caught/exported are now proud to be British fish, so we can now be proud that these import problems are British. Huzzah.


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Postby Jdsk » 21 Jan 2021, 1:05pm

st599_uk wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/17/shock-brexit-charges-are-hurting-us-say-small-british-businesses

Has a rundown of the new charges for sending parcels to the EU.

Thankyou. All explanations welcome in trying to understand what's happening and especially how much is likely to be temporary and how much permanent.

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Postby Jdsk » 21 Jan 2021, 2:43pm

st599_uk wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/17/shock-brexit-charges-are-hurting-us-say-small-british-businesses

Has a rundown of the new charges for sending parcels to the EU.

More experiences from individual buyers in the UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/21/britons-buying-from-eu-websites-face-more-than-100-import-duties

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Re: Post-Brexit - buying bike parts abroad . . (incl. Rose/DutchBikeParts)

Postby De Sisti » 21 Jan 2021, 2:55pm

De Sisti wrote:I ordered some glasses from a company in Italy at 20:00 on 31st December. Their comformatory email
quotes a delivery date of 12 January 2021. I wonder if they will honour, or cancel it?

I have received an email stating that the glasses are held up in customs. I expect they'll be adding a charge
for their release (and for the courier to demand something). :cry:

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Postby Jdsk » 21 Jan 2021, 3:04pm

De Sisti wrote:
De Sisti wrote:I ordered some glasses from a company in Italy at 20:00 on 31st December. Their comformatory email
quotes a delivery date of 12 January 2021. I wonder if they will honour, or cancel it?

I have received an email stating that the glasses are held up in customs. I expect they'll be adding a charge
for their release (and for the courier to demand something).

Yes. Update when appropriate, please.

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Re: Post-Brexit - buying bike parts abroad . . (incl. Rose/DutchBikeParts)

Postby KTHSullivan » 21 Jan 2021, 3:13pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... nuary-2021

The above is the present UK gobbledegook. It appears that dependent upon what one is importing there are a multiplicity of various import tariffs applicable. There is then the transport cost to the UK. These extra costs are added to the value of the goods before the import VAT is applied. Then there would be vague additions added by the courier company to deal with the import paperwork/pre-pay HMRC. Dependent upon the courier these "handling" charges will be charged as a percentage of the value of the goods either before or after the import duty/VAT is applied, some will charge a flat rate. May be worth enquiring if one is considering now importing goods from the EU.

The below is a fairly accurate "ready reckoner" of what one would expect to pay to import goods into the UK. However this does not take into account the vague additions added by the said couriers.

https://www.simplyduty.com/import-calculator

I also consider that there will be a few outfits endeavouring to get on the band wagon. I have just received some goods from Germany, the value of which fell well under the threshold that required me to pay import duty/VAT (The VAT was paid in Germany) due to an anomaly on behalf of the vendor. The "Useless Parcel Service" endeavoured via e-mail to bill me for such. I pointed out the errors of their ways and immediately the charges were dropped. No more than ever; caveat emptor.
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Postby Psamathe » 21 Jan 2021, 3:20pm

KTHSullivan wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021

The above is the present UK gobbledegook. It appears that dependent upon what one is importing there are a multiplicity of various import tariffs applicable. There is then the transport cost to the UK. These extra costs are added to the value of the goods before the import VAT is applied. Then there would be vague additions added by the courier company to deal with the import paperwork/pre-pay HMRC.....

I read that the "pre-payment" are causing major issues with EU hauliers stopping shipping to UK due to this aspect
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/20/absolute-carnage-eu-hauliers-reject-uk-jobs-over-brexit-rules wrote:'Absolute carnage': EU hauliers reject UK jobs over Brexit rules
A British freight company director with more than 20 years’ experience has told how EU hauliers and transport companies are turning their backs on UK business because they are being asked to provide tens of thousands of pounds in guarantees to cover VAT or potential tariffs on arrival in Britain.

The financial guarantee requirement did not exist before Brexit and EU transport companies who previously provided a shipping service for small and medium-sized firms have decided they do not want the extra financial burden, according to Colin Jeffries, who runs Key Cargo International in Manchester.
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A truck with a £200,000 cargo would need cash or a T1 financial guarantee document for £40,000 in VAT alone, he said, a significant burden for transport companies with multiple trucks going to the UK.
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Re: Post-Brexit - buying bike parts abroad . . (incl. Rose/DutchBikeParts)

Postby PH » 21 Jan 2021, 3:27pm


I'm going to miss the cheap German bike retailers, though the situation was entirely predictable and hopefully I won't need to make many purchases at least until it settles down. I've just looked for mudguards for a friend and the ones that cost me £28 from Bike24 last year are £43 in the UK :shock:

I do though wish that the reporting was a bit more honest, from the Guardian for example
Helen Kara, from Uttoxeter in Staffordshire, faced a UPS demand for £93 after purchasing £292 worth of bed linen.....
.....The unexpected bill for Kara’s bed linen order was made up of £19.81 in duty, £61.32 in VAT and an £11.50 collection fee levied by the courier firm.

So two thirds of that unexpected bill was the VAT that she would have paid anyway, but of course it's a better story if you don't make that clear and put the detail several paragraphs below the initial claim.

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Re: Post-Brexit - buying bike parts abroad . . (incl. Rose/DutchBikeParts)

Postby Bmblbzzz » 21 Jan 2021, 3:55pm

KTHSullivan wrote:I also consider that there will be a few outfits endeavouring to get on the band wagon. I have just received some goods from Germany, the value of which fell well under the threshold that required me to pay import duty/VAT (The VAT was paid in Germany) due to an anomaly on behalf of the vendor. The "Useless Parcel Service" endeavoured via e-mail to bill me for such. I pointed out the errors of their ways and immediately the charges were dropped. No more than ever; caveat emptor.

I thought it was the other way round? If the value is under £135, the purchaser is responsible for paying VAT (usually via the delivery service). If it's over, it is paid by the vendor and relaid by them to HMRC. Either way, you shouldn't be paying German VAT.

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Postby PH » 21 Jan 2021, 4:01pm

Bmblbzzz wrote:I thought it was the other way round? If the value is under £135, the purchaser is responsible for paying VAT (usually via the delivery service). If it's over, it is paid by the vendor and relaid by them to HMRC.

No, the VAT on consignments under £135 should be collected by the retailer, over £135 should be handled on import by the purchaser.
I's also important to know it's the consignment value, rather than the individual products.