Tier 4 exercise limits

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Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Tompsk » 19 Dec 2020, 8:28pm

Just had a look at:

gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home

It says you can exercise outside but must stay local. Wondering what would constitute as 'local' to make my exercise legitimate?

I'm not trying to push the bondaries to breaking point but wonder if being more than X miles from home will be considered outside the rules. There are plenty of varied road and tracks within 3 miles of me (ymmv) so perhaps that is one definition? On the other hand perhaps 'out for an hour' (wherever that takes you) could be another definition for 'local'?

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby simonineaston » 19 Dec 2020, 8:46pm

It says you can exercise outside but must stay "local".
(my quotes) I imagine the gist is that they don't want you to stray outside of your tier zone...
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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby simonhill » 19 Dec 2020, 9:21pm

Wasn't this discussed ad nauseam when we had the first lockdown.

No conclusions reached and everyone doing their own thing, oops I mean working within their interpretation of the rules.

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Tompsk » 19 Dec 2020, 9:41pm

simonhill wrote:Wasn't this discussed ad nauseam when we had the first lockdown.

No conclusions reached and everyone doing their own thing, oops I mean working within their interpretation of the rules.


Thanks for the reply, sounds like 'local' is a politician's word to mean whatever they want it too.

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Stevek76 » 19 Dec 2020, 11:34pm

In the first lockdown the law itself didn't specify 'local' thus that was guidance only.

While I'm sure the gov legal team are frantically trying to write some faintly sensible statute to cover this governments latest indecisive and last minute law making which is due to come into affect tomorrow morning, they are yet to be published even in the annoying hard to read amendment form, it'll be a day or two before they get properly spliced into the legislation website so at the moment no one knows for sure.

Pragmatically, the key thing is not to come into contact with others, so your normal exercise/cycling routes, if it does that, should be fine.

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby peetee » 20 Dec 2020, 8:26am

I would interpret local as ensuring that should you need medical treatment you would be taken to the same hospital that you would if you were at home. That way those that are infectious, treating infection or susceptible to infection are not coming into contact with people they wouldn’t normally or normally expect to.
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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby francovendee » 20 Dec 2020, 8:42am

In France we were allowed to take exercise for max 1 hour and a radius of 1 km from home.
We then moved to a max of 3 hrs and a radius of 20 km.
We've now been allowed to go out for as long and as far as we wish.

I can't think this situation will last and we'll be back in strict lock down by the new year. :(

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Pebble » 20 Dec 2020, 9:23am

what about tests for eyesight ?

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Boring_Username » 20 Dec 2020, 9:49am

One big difference from the Spring lockdown is that we now know the risk of infection from two strangers in brief proximity is very low indoors (e.g. passing in a shop), and essentially zero outdoors (e.g. passing along a road).

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Oldjohnw » 20 Dec 2020, 10:31am

Boring_Username wrote:One big difference from the Spring lockdown is that we now know the risk of infection from two strangers in brief proximity is very low indoors (e.g. passing in a shop), and essentially zero outdoors (e.g. passing along a road).


Except with the new variant perhaps we don't know this. :(
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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby thirdcrank » 20 Dec 2020, 11:15am

While I've been searching - so far unsuccessfully - for the new regs, I've found this about the difference between legislation and guidance. It only confirms what's been said on here before, but it is from the government:-

What is the difference between legislation and guidance?

To find out exactly what the rules are during the coronavirus pandemic, you need to look at both legislation and government guidance. Legislation sets out legal obligations and restrictions that are enforceable by law. If you do not abide by the legislation you are breaking the law. Guidance and advice is likely to be based on legislation (in which case it will be legally binding) and it might offer the best or most appropriate way to adhere to the law.

The law is what you must do; the guidance might be a mixture of what you must do and what you should do.


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/coronavirus

Scrolling down that page - which has not been updated since 1.12.2020 gives some links to legislation and some tips for searching for more.

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Psamathe » 20 Dec 2020, 11:21am

Tompsk wrote:... outside the rules....

"Rules" means "the law" and as I understand it, the law for Tier 4 has not been written yet (or not published). So you have to obey a law that has not yet been written/published.

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Cyril Haearn » 20 Dec 2020, 11:44am

Obviously best to obey the guidance (LSO law-shaped-object), not just the law, just to be sure :?
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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Psamathe » 20 Dec 2020, 11:49am

Cyril Haearn wrote:Obviously best to obey the guidance (LSO law-shaped-object), not just the law, just to be sure :?

I agree but when I see things like
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/20/police-to-stop-people-fleeing-new-covid-tier-4-areas-hancock-says wrote:Police to stop people fleeing new Covid tier 4 areas, Hancock says
...
Police will be asked to stop families from driving out of tier 4 areas, the health secretary has said, while extra officers will be deployed at railway stations.

I wonder on what basis given (apparently) there is no law written yet. It all just sums-up how ill prepared Johnson is and such desperate last minute ill-prepared changes are bound to cause loads of law/guidance breaking and people just doing what they planned anyway. Same restrictions a week ago (when it was obvious Johnson's direction was madness) would have means more acceptance.

I raised it only as OP used "the rules".

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Re: Tier 4 exercise limits

Postby Mick F » 20 Dec 2020, 11:52am

Pebble wrote:what about tests for eyesight ?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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