A pannier frame...............Bmblbzzz wrote: ↑21 Apr 2021, 8:34am Having been prompted to consider it by this thread, I looked at the bag loops on my Cambium. They are already showing signs of wear from the steel tabs of the Classic rack, a combination I've been using for maybe four years. I think I should try taping the loops, but I'm not sure what sort of tape would be best. Any suggestions? Perhaps a thin layer of old inner tube, but I'm not sure that will leave enough width for the tabs.
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Well yes ... but no.
Firstly because this frame has no pannier mounts. On the other bike, which has them, I also have a rack, and guess what? I use panniers or occasionally a rack-top bag on that bike, rather than a saddlebag.
Secondly, in addition to a rack-carrying, load-lugging bike, it's nice to have a lighter one for lighter fun.
Thirdly, and most importantly, I doubt it would reduce the wear in any case. The saddlebag and therefore the Classic rack (I believe this was referred to by other posters as an "uplift") would still move slightly on rough roads, and it's that movement of the steel tabs in the aluminium loops which causes wear. And I'd still be using the "uplift" because it allows quick and easy removal and switching of various saddlebags (different sizes to suit different occasions).
Firstly because this frame has no pannier mounts. On the other bike, which has them, I also have a rack, and guess what? I use panniers or occasionally a rack-top bag on that bike, rather than a saddlebag.
Secondly, in addition to a rack-carrying, load-lugging bike, it's nice to have a lighter one for lighter fun.
Thirdly, and most importantly, I doubt it would reduce the wear in any case. The saddlebag and therefore the Classic rack (I believe this was referred to by other posters as an "uplift") would still move slightly on rough roads, and it's that movement of the steel tabs in the aluminium loops which causes wear. And I'd still be using the "uplift" because it allows quick and easy removal and switching of various saddlebags (different sizes to suit different occasions).
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Back in the day you could get an uplift without the horizontal support. This is what I use on a daily basis. To support the weight of the bag I the use a Bagman. This means that the metal tabs do not move half as much in the saddlebag loops and you still have a quick release bag. The "uplift" has to be tied to the saddle pillar by an old toe strap or similar to prevent it moving vertically and possibly jumping out of the bag loops. This is on a Berthoud saddle where the cantle and bag loops are plastic, so the potential for wear is greater. of course the Bagman can easily be removed a well.
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Elastic bungee straps can be very hazardous, one can get luggage fixing belts from the DIY store instead, they only stretch 2%
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Yes, bungee cords are very useful and cheap. Lots of people get good use out of them.
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I’ve used bungees for my rack to hold tent, sleeping bag etc for years. Great service.
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Elasticated bungees stretch a lot and can spring back suddenly, maybe causing the hook to hit one in the eye, with serious consequences. Better to use belts that give much less, as used for securing loads in containers. Toe straps are quite good too, if not old and worn
Best to check them frequently and discard if damaged, maybe by moisture or sunshine damaging the material
Best to check them frequently and discard if damaged, maybe by moisture or sunshine damaging the material
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Cyril Haearn wrote: ↑22 Apr 2021, 9:43am Elasticated bungees stretch a lot and can spring back suddenly, maybe causing the hook to hit one in the eye, with serious consequences. Better to use belts that give much less, as used for securing loads in containers. Toe straps are quite good too, if not old and worn
True, but frames can snap, wheels fall off and a whole host of other things. No bungee has ever sprung back on me, which is not to say it can’t, but elimination of every single risk is impossible and the attempt incredibly dull. We take sensible precautions, minimise risk based on likelihood and try to live wisely.
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Agree: bungees aren’t difficult to use or dangerous with a modicum of thought.Oldjohnw wrote: ↑22 Apr 2021, 9:50amTrue, but frames can snap, wheels fall off and a whole host of other things. No bungee has ever sprung back on me, which is not to say it can’t, but elimination of every single risk is impossible and the attempt incredibly dull. We take sensible precautions, minimise risk based on likelihood and try to live wisely.Cyril Haearn wrote: ↑22 Apr 2021, 9:43am Elasticated bungees stretch a lot and can spring back suddenly, maybe causing the hook to hit one in the eye, with serious consequences. Better to use belts that give much less, as used for securing loads in containers. Toe straps are quite good too, if not old and worn
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Dull, boring, is good! We can do plenty to minimise risks to ourselves and much more important, to others. For example keeping speed down
I have seen frayed bungees with elastic bits broken off, still being used, quite frightened me
I have seen frayed bungees with elastic bits broken off, still being used, quite frightened me
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You must be easily frightened: I must admit I’ve never been afraid of frayed bungee cords.Cyril Haearn wrote: ↑22 Apr 2021, 9:55am Dull, boring, is good! We can do plenty to minimise risks to ourselves and much more important, to others. For example keeping speed down
I have seen frayed bungees with elastic bits broken off, still being used, quite frightened me
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Is there anything analogous to an elastic strap that helps to keep threads on topic?We can do plenty to minimise risks to ourselves and much more important, to others. For example keeping speed down
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Frightened is a bit strong for me too, but I wince seeing people using bungees where the core has snapped and it is only holding together by the woven outer. Sooner or later it will fail. Does anyone think that is OK?markjohnobrien wrote: ↑22 Apr 2021, 9:59amYou must be easily frightened: I must admit I’ve never been afraid of frayed bungee cords.Cyril Haearn wrote: ↑22 Apr 2021, 9:55am Dull, boring, is good! We can do plenty to minimise risks to ourselves and much more important, to others. For example keeping speed down
I have seen frayed bungees with elastic bits broken off, still being used, quite frightened me
Bungees are an unnecessary risk when luggage straps are easily available. There are two types of bungee users: those who haven't learned from a strap failure and those who have been very lucky not to have a failure yet.
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Recent discussion of Voile and ROK and Restart Fast straps:
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In order:
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In order:
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I find simple cam-buckle straps suffice but smarter, more expensive, branded straps are indeed available.
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