Strapping luggage to carradice saddlebag

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Jdsk wrote: 22 Apr 2021, 10:12am Recent discussion of Voile and ROK and Restart Fast straps:
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Interesting, thanks, and gives people options, but far too expensive for me: bungee straps for me.
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Making sure the cords aren't frayed is part of minimising risk.
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Page 3 ."does anyone think this is OK?"
Yep. Stuff worry about every little risk :D
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I don't want to contradict anyone here.
There are alternative and more sophisticated methods of securing luggage to saddlebag/racks etc that I certainly haven't tried.
I've always securely strapped large and 'over-the-top' items with toe-straps, leather straps etc, and amazingly big stuff with bungees.
So far, having been cautious with securing, I've not had a problem.
Bungees have to be carefully used - loose ends with their hooks could cause devastating accidents and damage.
We certainly have to be very careful.
BUT..........what problems have people had, and with what forms of attachment?
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I think the risk of death or injury by bungee cord is grossly overstated: I’m exceptionally clumsy but have never been hit in the face by one, or attacked by a fraying cord, and make sure (as part of a dynamic risk assessment) that cords are in a good state of repair.
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markjohnobrien wrote: 23 Apr 2021, 10:57pm I think the risk of death or injury by bungee cord is grossly overstated: I’m exceptionally clumsy but have never been hit in the face by one, or attacked by a fraying cord, and make sure (as part of a dynamic risk assessment) that cords are in a good state of repair.
Ah - right - thanks Mark.
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Bungees are cheap, readily available and very useful. They also pose a considerable risk of serious eye injuries. It's much better to use straps or learn to tie knots.

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Surely the sale and use of elastic straps with more than a certain stretch should be restricted by law
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I have dropped uplift and Saddlebag on more than one occasion.
I now zip tie them through the Saddlebag loops on the saddle.
I realise that they are no longer an easy lift off. I only have metal bag loops on my saddles but wondering if this might help the suffering Alloy loops that have been mentioned ?
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The risks associated with going out on my bike, and as so extensively outlined on these pages recently, are filling me with cycling anxiety. I think I should revert to using the car all the time.

Too fast, too slow. Cords and bungees. Gears and single speed. Undertaking, overtaking. Busy roads and quiet country lanes. Helmets save lives and helmets are dangerous. Always use garmin, only use paper maps. Motorists, ebikes, mountain bikes, pedestrians, and even other bikes. Is it worth getting up in the morning?
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How about getting out on the bike in the sunshine?

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The Art of Statistics: Learning from Data
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The Better Angels of Our Nature: The Decline of Violence In History And Its Causes
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Oldjohnw wrote: 24 Apr 2021, 8:45am The risks associated with going out on my bike, and as so extensively outlined on these pages recently, are filling me with cycling anxiety. I think I should revert to using the car all the time.
Nah, the dead dino juice powering most of them goes boom pretty easily.

I don't think anyone is saying bungees will kill. But they are a completely avoidable risk often underestimated, especially if they have open hooks not closed clips. I only had some bruises, shed loads and a bungee wrapped around the spokes before switching.
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Oldjohnw wrote: 24 Apr 2021, 8:45am The risks associated with going out on my bike, and as so extensively outlined on these pages recently, are filling me with cycling anxiety. I think I should revert to using the car all the time.

Too fast, too slow. Cords and bungees. Gears and single speed. Undertaking, overtaking. Busy roads and quiet country lanes. Helmets save lives and helmets are dangerous. Always use garmin, only use paper maps. Motorists, ebikes, mountain bikes, pedestrians, and even other bikes. Is it worth getting up in the morning?
Thank you - I couldn’t stop laughing when I read this as I’m guessing this is a humorous write up of other people’s exaggerated fears.

Of course, if you are feeling miserable, and I apologise if you are, I always find that cycling in bright sunshine vastly improves my mood.
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Dunno if a bungee could kill, but the thought of a bungee hook springing into my eye is very frightening
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I think so much depends on your load and the circumstances. For a cape on the flap of a saddlebag, toe straps seem the obvious answer, always assuming they are still available, not least because if you want your cape in a hurry the quick-release function is what you need. For fastening a tent, I'd still say some strong straps but security is most important.

I think bungees - especially adjustable ones - have a use, so long as you are alert to their limitations. IMO they are ideal with a light but relatively bulky load. I have in mind something like a large pack of lavatory rolls being carried on top of a pannier rack and panniers.
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