pete75 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 11:10am
Bmblbzzz wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 11:01am
pete75 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 9:00am
What brands of appliances do you buy? Get Miele next time you buy and they'll last 20 years or more.
Carradice saddlebags and panniers made before Ortlieb was founded in 1982 are still in use, so Carradice is proven to be longer lasting. Most of their products are made from sustainable, natural materials too.
I like Carradice products and that's largely because of the waxed cotton material, but they do contain a lot of plastic as well: the hooks, backing plates and bottom stiffeners on the panniers, the lining that's on the lid of the saddlebags, the inner flaps and their drawstrings, the reflectors... It's a lot less than Ortlieb or most other manufacturers, who use plastics for every part, but it has to be pointed out that even Carradice are not really sustainable or natural. Perhaps they still were as late as 1982, I don't know (ignoring the thorny question of whether leather and metals are sustainable... !)
They contain some plastic but I wouldn't call it a lot. The bulk of most panniers and saddlebags is cotton. The saddlebag lid lining appears to be cotton.
Hi Pete,
I think the more modern Carradice saddle bags have a woven (overprinted in the case of this green bag) synthetic
lid-lining. Picture of old shoelace-tied bag overlaid by modern drawstring design. The current black bags have a brown lid-lining made of a similar material I think.
The small interior stiffener (used to be fibre board) at the base of Carradice large panniers can eventually wear through the canvas at the corner, it took about 30 years on this pair mind. A good mod' might be to add a bit of rubber or plastic tube around the corners of the boards from new. Tricky to repair there once it's worn through.
I have a pair of the smaller Ortlieb front panniers; they could do with an external pocket like Carradice (the larger rear ones at least), I believe Ortlieb sell an add-on one, which seems a bit daft to me. Does anyone actually fit these ?
There's a good ancient thread on the Crazy guy site from some U.S early Ortlieb adopters, an interesting read (possibly !).
https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/reviews ... ted=0&v=3E
Grammar edit !