Hi all
I am considering buying a sprung Brooks saddle for my Raleigh Twenty because I need it to be more comfortable for an upcoming tour. As I am on a budget, buying second-hand seems an attractive idea; here in Poland used B66 and B67 can be had for between £10 and £20. So my questions are:
What is the difference between a B66 and a B67?
and
When the surface of a Brooks is covered in a mesh of small cracks as in the photo below, is this an indicator it has seen better days and will soon fail or should I only be concerned about any deeper cracks?
Thanks
another Brooks saddle question
Re: another Brooks saddle question
Cracks suggest it hasnt been treated and therefore the leather has dried out.
As for if it is terminal, not sure myself. You will be sitting on it so you dont want it to split.
As for if it is terminal, not sure myself. You will be sitting on it so you dont want it to split.
Re: another Brooks saddle question
mark: take a look at this link - the saddle may be in better condition than you think:
http://spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s144p691
http://spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s144p691
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Re: another Brooks saddle question
"Aged" Brooks aren't cracked....the colour looks bleached, the surface is dimpled not smooth, and they are not polished at all, completely matte.
I wouldn't buy a saddle showing deep cracks, I think it would be liable to fail, specially if cracked near rivets.
Superficial cracks probably aren't too bad, but you can't tell if the leather is terribly dried out, it can get fragile.
I wouldn't buy a saddle showing deep cracks, I think it would be liable to fail, specially if cracked near rivets.
Superficial cracks probably aren't too bad, but you can't tell if the leather is terribly dried out, it can get fragile.
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Re: another Brooks saddle question
Have you tried asking Brooks themselves?
Re: another Brooks saddle question
It is not easy to judge from even a good photo but they look like surface cracks.
Try 'feeding' it and see how it goes. Leather is tough stuff. I have a much newer B17 with worse looking cracks and have been riding it for years.
Try 'feeding' it and see how it goes. Leather is tough stuff. I have a much newer B17 with worse looking cracks and have been riding it for years.
Re: another Brooks saddle question
I'd have to look up my ancient records to be sure of when I first rode a Brooks saddle - I've done so before for these forums, but I've forgotten again. Certainly it's 50 years ago.
Until recently - the last five years or so - I'd always have confidence in Brooks, but I don't think that they're what they used to be - not at all. I'd say that a sound old Brooks saddle was better than a new one. I'd go for the saddle on the photo, and treat it with Proofhide (or beeswax if Proofhide not available) until supple, and then ride it and see. If it's dried out and kaput, that will be self-evident from close inspection. I've seen leather saddles which have dried out, and I would say it's obvious. If they have dried out, I'd say that they were beyond redemption.
My experience of buying a couple of new Brooks saddles in the last five years is that I've had more trouble from them (and both replaced) than from 30 year-old pros, B17s, a B5 and an original Colt.
One thing I'd say is don't use neatsfoot oil - it used to be the standard thing 40-50 years ago, but I found that the saddle became like a hamock.
My Brooks catalogue (2006) shows the B66 and the B67, and describes the B67 as : "One wire version of the B66 for use with micro-adjust seat pillars". From the pictures I'd say that the B67 had a more universal application, but why not check the saddle with the seat pillar?
Until recently - the last five years or so - I'd always have confidence in Brooks, but I don't think that they're what they used to be - not at all. I'd say that a sound old Brooks saddle was better than a new one. I'd go for the saddle on the photo, and treat it with Proofhide (or beeswax if Proofhide not available) until supple, and then ride it and see. If it's dried out and kaput, that will be self-evident from close inspection. I've seen leather saddles which have dried out, and I would say it's obvious. If they have dried out, I'd say that they were beyond redemption.
My experience of buying a couple of new Brooks saddles in the last five years is that I've had more trouble from them (and both replaced) than from 30 year-old pros, B17s, a B5 and an original Colt.
One thing I'd say is don't use neatsfoot oil - it used to be the standard thing 40-50 years ago, but I found that the saddle became like a hamock.
My Brooks catalogue (2006) shows the B66 and the B67, and describes the B67 as : "One wire version of the B66 for use with micro-adjust seat pillars". From the pictures I'd say that the B67 had a more universal application, but why not check the saddle with the seat pillar?
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Re: another Brooks saddle question
Agree with previous poster about not using neatsfoot (all the time) As it softens it up too much, it becomes too supple and the saddle could be ruined (wonder as it dries out, may be ok?) I'd only use neatsfoot oil once or twice, and only think applications. As soon as you notice it's gone from knock knock wood to slight give, don't use anymore.