How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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DaveP
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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Having a day off work to recover from possible food poisoning - enough detail, surely!
Anyway - I've resolved the mystery.
I decided to use Basecamp to send a .gpx file to my new "device". I can't see why I would need to go to that much trouble normally if the data is already in the desired format, (just drag and drop surely?) but I hadn't managed to find any explicit advice about where such files should be placed so I thought I'd let a dedicated system show the way. I expexted it to simply copy a file to its proper destination on the gps, but to my surprise a map appeared on screen. It turns out that the grid I described earlier is what you see if you zoom out too far. Simple, but perhaps not simple enough... :oops:

Many Thanks to all who helped. Much appreciated!
Trying to retain enough fitness to grow old disgracefully... That hasn't changed!
Titanic
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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Hi,
I have just started this process for my Etrex 20 and Basecamp.

I have downloaded the maps and MapTk but can't see any install or uninstall .bat files.

Have I missed something?
Thanks...
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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Trying to sort out various issues here so forgive me if this fact is erroneous! In order to install maps onto a Garmin GPS only Mapsource will allow this.

The following instructions are for velomaps but are equally applicable to other products; http://www.velomap.org/tutorials/install/
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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Titanic wrote:Hi,
I have just started this process for my Etrex 20 and Basecamp.

I have downloaded the maps and MapTk but can't see any install or uninstall .bat files.

Have I missed something?
Thanks...

I assume that you're using TalkyToaster's mapset (downloadable from http://talkytoaster.info/, with the latest maps for BaseCamp being http://www.talkytoaster.info/120727-British-Isles+Contours-Routable-MapSource.zip at the time of writing).

The install.bat and uninstall.bat files should be in the zip file above (at least they were in the version dated 1/6/12) -- I'm just downloading the latest version and will post whether that still holds when my download is finished.

@hexhome: TalkyToaster's mapsets are different to the Garmin products in that Martin supplies a set of maps formatted for MapSource and/or BaseCamp and another set of maps that can be directly loaded onto the GPSr with the device in 'portable drive mode'.

Edited to add: My download has finished and I've just checked. The latest version at the time of writing has the install.bat and uninstall.bat files you seek.

HTH,

Geoff
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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Sorted thanks, I misunderstood that the GPS and Basecamp maps were separate downloads.
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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Thought this might be of interest, how to open a CMD window with administrator privileges, I did this then ran the bat file from here, worked perfectly with no UAC alerts.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows- ... a-run-box/
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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GeoffL wrote:@hexhome: TalkyToaster's mapsets are different to the Garmin products in that Martin supplies a set of maps formatted for MapSource and/or BaseCamp and another set of maps that can be directly loaded onto the GPSr with the device in 'portable drive mode'.


I don't use Garmin mapping products? Perhaps I misunderstood the issues but Basecamp only allows Garmin purchased maps to be uploaded onto the GPS, though it will display and route using OSM maps such as TalkyToaster and Velomap. Both of these map sets have separate maps optimised for both GPS and PC. I use velomaps simply because they are optimised for cycling, other maps may be as good but I need cycle specific routing.

The link posted by me had complete instructions to enable the OP to achieve what he needed in installing any 'non garmin' map set either with mapsource or as you describe. Perhaps you misunderstood my post?
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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hexhome wrote:
GeoffL wrote:@hexhome: TalkyToaster's mapsets are different to the Garmin products in that Martin supplies a set of maps formatted for MapSource and/or BaseCamp and another set of maps that can be directly loaded onto the GPSr with the device in 'portable drive mode'.

As are velomaps???

TBH, I don't really know as all I've used are TalkyToaster's mapset. However, I understand from geocachers who've used Garmin's own product that you load Garmin's own maps into MapSource or BaseCamp and then transfer the mapping from the Windows/Mac to the GPSr. A quick look at the link you provided suggested that Velomaps are similar to Garmin's in that you load the maps first to MapSource. That said, there are utilities around that will create either .img map files or custom map tiles, including one in the Velomaps package if I read your link correctly.

FWIW, I understood that Titanic asked specifically about TalkyToaster's maps, and so tailored my response for that query.
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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DaveP wrote:Seems as though this might be a good day to try to find out what I did - or didnt do... :lol:

I started at Talkytoaster. Read the FAQ's. Downloaded the latest British Isles 1:50k routable OS lookalike.
I downloaded and installed Basecamp from Garmin
I downloaded MapTK using the link from Talkytoaster. I manually created the folder C:\Garmin and installed it to the folder.
I downloaded and installed the recommended 7Zip and extracted the files from the archive.
I dragged and dropped these files to C:\Garmin
I turned off UAC and ran the bat file, which told me that the requisite registry entries had been created.

Possibly naively, I fired up Basecamp and hoped to find the new mapping showing up.

Run out of instructions :cry:
Any ideas?

hi dave
easy way is to get the guy who who run talkyttoaster to put them on sd card for you you :D its a lot less hassle .. :lol:


If I'm really lost in virtual space it might be kindest just to tell me to give up - I dont really want to fight the pc every time I want to look at a map!
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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To help answer some questions this thread has posed for me, I have downloaded Talkytoaster maps (latest routable OSTT) and used them side by side with Velomap in order to make a comparison. Both products do exactly what they specifically promise and are excellent value compared to commercial products. I believe (and practice) that donations should always be made to suppliers of such open source solutions, they put in a lot of work.

So what were my (emphasis on my, others might well disagree) findings? First Velomap;
velomap1.jpg

There are 2 versions, one optimised for GPS and the other for Basecamp/Mapsource. You can just download one version and use it in both applications.I have only used the map optimised for GPS and have found that it is more than adequate on my PC. The maps are based on Open Cycle Map. The instructions are clear and whilst not 'idiot proof' it was very easy to install the maps on both PC and GPS. Appearance and detail are good, not up to OS map standards but all useful detail is there including contours if required. There are also cycle specific POIs such as cycle shops, parking, hire points etc. Alkl national cycle routes are highlighted (see bottom left of image). The map is designed for cycling only and therefore auto routing is only suitable for cycling. In my test, I asked for a route between two points and as you can see from the above image, the route uses a bridleway to avoid the A69 trunk road. Interestingly, this is a tarmacadam bridleway and I have never been routed onto an unsuitable surface. Velomap do offer a MTB specific map for this type of route. Auto routing works well in Basecamp and on my Etrex 20, again I must stress, cycle specific routing only.

Talkytoaster;
talkytoaster1.jpg
These maps are based Open Source Maps and have data added by the compiler from other sources. Again there are 2 versions optimised for PC and GPS. It appears that both sets must be downloaded although I suspect that it would be possible to use just one set for both purposes. I have downloaded and used the set optimised for Basecamp. The instructions were OK but more detail could be given on installing the Mapsource/Basecamp version. There is a scary warning of doom if you get it wrong. Fair enough, non commercial applications like this are not for the faint hearted. For those less PC savvy there is the option of buying the maps pre installed on a memory card. This is a great way of doing it but leaves you with out the option of using the maps in Basecamp.
The maps have a similar appearance to Velomap which was a slight disappointment as I was expecting a similar appearance to OS maps. They have a cleaner and better detailed appearance than Velomaps though this is probably because I am using the GPS version of Velomaps in Basecamp. There are plenty of POIs perhaps more than Velomap but not as cycle specific. You will find your local MacDonalds for example but not your local cycle shop.
Routing is very different to Velomap. It is not cycle specific, even with Bicycling selected in Basecamp. In the above image, I have selected exactly the same A and B points as in Velomap and with exactly the same settings in Basecamp. As you will see, the route is along the very busy A69 trunk road, a high speed dual carriageway which I avoid when possible. It has ignored the adjacent bridleway completely. Talkytoaster do say that these latest maps will route along such byways, so this could be an anomaly.

Conclusion; As I said at the beginning, both mapsets are excellent. Any holes in accuracy are being filled all the time. They are not OS maps and never will be and I take issue with that description being used! They do however have auto routing which works well. Any GPS with these installed will find your route. In my opinion, only Velomaps are suitable for cycle specific routing but that also makes them inflexible! My solution is to have both maps installed in Basecamp and Velomaps on my GPS. If I need a non specific route I can then plan it on Talkytoasters maps and upload it to the GPS. ON the other hand, if I find my self in a strange town with my cycle and GPS (happens a lot :roll: ) I can just enter a destination on the GPS and follow a cycle specific route.

I hope that this comparison will clear some of the confusion surrounding what specific maps and routing options will achieve.

Edit, OS map added for comparison;
os1.jpg
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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Following some more trials, some further information which may or may not be useful;

I have just been on a weekend walking in Norfolk. The Velomaps are not ideal for walking and so I installed the Talkytoaster maps onto my Etrex 20. Using Mapsource, this is a very quick and simple operation for small areas but takes quite a while if installing a large area. It is important to note that it is not possible to have both mapsets (Velomap and Talkytoaster) installed on the GPS device at the same time. I stuck with the maps optimised for Mapsource and the appearance and routing capabilities were acceptable on the Etrex.

Routing for walking, followed footpaths which would normally be ideal. Sometimes this routing would be a considerable extra distance compared to using roads, however, I would assume that a user for this purpose would expect such a route. The footpaths and POIs marked on the map were useful and superior for this purpose than Velomap. Any cycle route requested would generally be the shortest distance by road, rather than a quieter route free from heavy traffic. Velomap tends to avoid trunk roads.

All this has reinforced my opinion that OCM based maps like Velomap are the ideal tool for cycle routing and OSM based maps such as TalkyToaster are ideal for more general use. Apologies if I seem to have arrived at the obvious!
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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First, thanks for some very informative reviews.
hexhome wrote:It is important to note that it is not possible to have both mapsets (Velomap and Talkytoaster) installed on the GPS device at the same time.

For info, while it's not practical to have both maps active at the same time, you can have more than one mapset installed on some devices (e.g. my Dakota) at the same time. The trick is to give one of the mapsets a filename other than the default GMAPSUPP.IMG. Once this is done, you can (on the Dakota) go into Setup->Map->Select Maps and enable or disable mapping as appropriate. FWIW, I've got mapping currently installed on my SD card for UK, Spain, Singapore, and Victoria (Aus) (filenames GMAPSUPP.IMG, ES.IMG, SING.IMG, and MEL.IMG respectively) but only the UK mapping plus the Garmin basemap is currently active. When I've got time, I'll also install Velomap both to check that it can coexist with Martin's offering and also to use when cycling.

Thanks again for the reviews, and HTH
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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Thanks for that Geoff, I will try your method which I can see would work if installing directly to the GPS. I was using Mapsource to install the maps and I would guess that the thinking behind the design of this software would be the then limited amount of storage space on the GPS devices then current.

Your solution sounds ideal.
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Re: How to load OSM map into Basecamp on PC

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I've now given Velomap a quick try. Although I haven't used it 'in anger' on the bike, I've done enough with MapSource to make the following comments:

First, I can confirm that both maps can coexist on my Dakota and I can select which to use via the method I gave previously.

I have both BaseCamp and MapSource. Although Velomap was easy enough to install, it wasn't so easy to use. I elected for the "Velo" version, which was supposed to be clearer. However, in MapSource, the contours were missing and in BaseCamp the contour info was not as detailed as is available with the TalkyToaster mapping. When I tried to build a map to directly copy to my Dakota, the utility complained that I was missing a .jar file. Although this gave a location from which to download one, I couldn't tell which one to use and so gave up trying the direct load approach.

When I transferred the mapping of my area from MapSource to the Dakota, MapSource put the .img files onto the device rather than the SD card. FWIW, I don't like to put mapsets onto the device as that implies you need to send the device back to Garmin if the mapping crashes the device. In contrast, if mapping on the SD card crashes the device, you can recover simply by removing the SD card and using your computer to delete the offending file(s). This is relatively easy to fix with Velomap, as you just need to move the mapset files from the device to the SD card before restarting the GPSr.

I then tested the routing functions in MapSource. For one of my regular rides, both TalkyToaster and Velomap chose the more-direct route that includes a 1:8 hill rather than the slightly longer but quicker and easier route via an A road. I then let both plan a route from the end of Barbican Approach in Plymouth (50.36761, -4.12625) to Yelverton (50.49136, -4.08687). I chose this because I know the area well, there is a perfectly good A-road route with significant cycle facilities, and both points pretty much lie on NCN27. TalkyToaster chose a 9.7 mile A-road route -- not quite the one I'd have chosen, but not too bad. OTOH, Velomap chose a 13.3 mile meandering route that took in some serious gradients. Both products completely ignored the 12.1 mile NCN route. TBH, I might one day follow the Velomap route as it seems the basis for an interesting day's tour even though it's not a logical route to take if you just want to go from A to B! So, for me, I wouldn't be prepared to let either product make all the routing decisions.

In the end, I suppose it's down to personal preference and which is clearer in use. Personally, I found TalkyToaster's maps clearer for roads and Velomap clearer for off-road routes, although either can be used for either type of route. However, that's just on my Dakota and different devices can render mapping very differently, which means that each needs to try out both for themselves.

Sorry the above is a bit of a ramble, but HTH.
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Don't forget that there is an MTB version!
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