LittleGreyCat wrote:I'm a little puzzled as to why people seem so anti wearing high viz.
Is fashion more important than survival?
I sometimes wear hi-vis but more because my jacket looks misleadlingly official and just happens to be hi-vis. I dislike the day-glo colours but some of my other jackets have more subtle reflective triangles or stripes.
Anyway, I think it's not about fashion and hi-vis is unlikely to help your survival. It may improve your chances of being seen slightly, but how many crashes are "SMIDSY" (more like Sorry Mate I Didn't Look) where it probably won't help?
However if I am involved in a SMIDSY then should it come to court, showing a bright yellow top to the court and asking "The victim was wearing high visibility clothing and you claim you DIDN'T SEE THEM" may carry more weight than if you were wearing normal every day wear.
mjr wrote:It also helps to give non-riders the impression that riding bikes is a dangerous activity that requires special safety equipment, contributing to the sense of cyclists as an outlier group. Finally, there's things like Ian Walker's research that seems to suggest that you get less room if you look more competent, so it's not even a definite safety improvement for you yourself.
I think we are drifting into well worn territory here - all the various counter intuitive arguments which say that an apparent safety improvement really reduces your personal safety.
The same type of arguments used about crash helmets on motor bikes, seat belts in cars for example.
I am merely stating that my personal experience as a driver is that high viz yellow jerseys stand out in urban, suburban, main and secondary roads.
They are especially effective for me personally on sunny days where there is shade from trees.
[There may also be some scientific reason that road workers (amongst may others) have to wear high viz clothing.]
So if I see these tops more easily, I assume that other drivers may see these tops more easily.
So I wear the tops.
mjr wrote:Is a debatable improvement in your personal visibility more important than promoting cycling as accessible and easy?
I certainly don't think I should make myself less visible, presumably to put myself in harms way so that near misses, injury or death may serve as a warning to motorists and my noble sacrifice may some day benefit other cyclists.
I also don't think that me wearing bright yellow Lycra should scare others away from cycling (umm....perhaps an attack of nausea and "Mummy my eyes!! I can't see!!").
However as I said above we seem to be drifting firmly into areas of faith which don't always respond to rational argument.