gps for audax rides.

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gps for audax rides.

Postby jags » 2 Oct 2013, 6:10pm

to the Audax riders.
is there a favourate GPS unit for audax rides, one thats dead easy to use not to expensive and good big screen.

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby andymiller » 2 Oct 2013, 7:10pm

You're going to have to make a choice: if you want to keep the price down you'll need to go for something like an eTrex 20 which has a smaller screen - the bigger-screen models cost more. So it depends on how much is 'not too much'.

Also consider whether you just want something for navigating or whether you want the other features of the more expensive models (eg recording heart rate and cadence).

The eTrexes on the other hand have the advantage of using AA batteries and they are v waterproof and v robust.

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby Whippet » 2 Oct 2013, 7:23pm

Or if you don't need AA battery replacement, the new Garmin Edge Touring looks quite good value at £175:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/garmin-edge-tou ... -computer/

I found the battery on my Edge 705 fine for recent LEJOG so long as I charged it up at the end of the day.

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby ukdodger » 2 Oct 2013, 10:00pm

jags wrote:to the Audax riders.
is there a favourate GPS unit for audax rides, one thats dead easy to use not to expensive and good big screen.


Not sure I would use a GPS for that. Both my GPS's have the annoying habit of suddenly inverting the map or turning it through 90deg without you changing course.

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby andymiller » 2 Oct 2013, 10:26pm

ukdodger wrote:
jags wrote:to the Audax riders.
is there a favourate GPS unit for audax rides, one thats dead easy to use not to expensive and good big screen.


Not sure I would use a GPS for that. Both my GPS's have the annoying habit of suddenly inverting the map or turning it through 90deg without you changing course.


It's weird that both your GPSes do that - I've never had that problem. Maybe because I have mine set to always show North at the top?

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby [XAP]Bob » 2 Oct 2013, 11:10pm

Or a smartphone...
External power packs, or a supply from a dynamo will keep it running...
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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby bikes4two » 2 Oct 2013, 11:13pm

The Garmin 700/800 series have a good following but not uniquely so by any means.

I use one of the Garmin GPSMap60 series that I've had for years. It's rather big and clunky by today's standards but I use it because it takes a pair of AA batteries (rechargeable or disposable) and has buttons to navigate through the functions.

Second hand units can be had for £100 ish pounds depending on model.

My pal has just got a MIO complete with UK and EU road maps for £260. It's all touch screen and he gets irritated by the finger marks all over the screen. The touch screen has yet to be tried with gloved fingers.
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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby Ayesha » 3 Oct 2013, 7:36am

Garmin eTrex 30 with OpenCycleMaps.

That's the favourite. Light weight, AA batteries and a map that is updateable at any time and has cycle specific thoroughfares uncluded.
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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby Ayesha » 3 Oct 2013, 7:38am

bikes4two wrote:The Garmin 700/800 series have a good following but not uniquely so by any means.

I use one of the Garmin GPSMap60 series that I've had for years. It's rather big and clunky by today's standards but I use it because it takes a pair of AA batteries (rechargeable or disposable) and has buttons to navigate through the functions.

Second hand units can be had for £100 ish pounds depending on model.

My pal has just got a MIO complete with UK and EU road maps for £260. It's all touch screen and he gets irritated by the finger marks all over the screen. The touch screen has yet to be tried with gloved fingers.


Tell him to trim his index finger nail to a convenient stylus. He can tell the world he's a guitarist.

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby freeflow » 3 Oct 2013, 9:31am

You ask your question in the context of Audax but it isn't clear what you actually want to achieve. The assumption is that you want the ability to follow a route at least.

In reality, for simple GPS applications such as route following, we are on the cusp of change where moderately priced smartphones will supplant a significant proportion of what more expensive specialist units do. At the moment you can split the market into three parts.


1. Specialist GPS units as characterised by the Garmin etrex, oregon etc
2. Application specific GPS units eg Tomtom and other Satnav devices, or Garmin 800 or Bryton 50 type cycling specific devices
3. GPS is added value but has no functionality without added software e.g. smartphones.

I've recently made the transition from a Bryton 50 to ipbike running on a Sony Xperia Arc S smartphone. When used with an extended capacity battery (<£10) the sony gives 7 hours of operation whilst having the display on full brightness and tracking with GPS, Cadence, HR , and Speed sensor. The Bryton 50 also only manages 7 hours with the screen on full brightness. Both devices can be recharged on the move but the sony also has the option of just replacing the battery (but not AA like the etrex). the application ipbike allows multiple segments of a route (due to power off or other glitch) to be consolidated on the phone. Ipbike also allows you to use maps from sources that you choose and download to the phone (i.e. you can do routing without the phone needing to transmit and receive data). The screen on the sony is bigger and better than any current GPS unit of comparable cost. Its not waterproof, unlike the more recent Sony phones, but this is remedied by a Topeak smartphone bag which allows rapid removal and attachment to a bike. The reason for selecting a Sony phone is that quite a number, but not all, have the ANT+ sensor built in. Other Smartphones will certainly be able to do the GPS but may need to use bluetooth if you want other sensors (and this is still in very early days as the necessary API for android has only become available with android 4.3).

No handheld device is particularly easy to use on the hoof (or should that be on the wheel) for routing purposes although with a suitable smartphone you could actually go online and do mapping in the same way as you would on a laptop or desktop PC.

From my perspective there is a lot of benefit in consolidating your phone and cycling GPS.

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby ukdodger » 3 Oct 2013, 9:33am

andymiller wrote:
ukdodger wrote:
jags wrote:to the Audax riders.
is there a favourate GPS unit for audax rides, one thats dead easy to use not to expensive and good big screen.


Not sure I would use a GPS for that. Both my GPS's have the annoying habit of suddenly inverting the map or turning it through 90deg without you changing course.


It's weird that both your GPSes do that - I've never had that problem. Maybe because I have mine set to always show North at the top?


Yes I wondered about that and I did try North up but with the same result. It's infuriating because you can go miles before you realise it and it cant be corrected. You have to let it correct itself which it usually does. Also as the map is upside down only the bottom 1/2" of the screen shows the road ahead. :roll:

These are Garmin 60csx's

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby Big T » 3 Oct 2013, 12:15pm

If you are using it for Audax, one question would be - for which distances? I have a Garmin Edge - the battery lasts 14-16 hours on a full charge, so it would be OK for a 200, marginal for a 300, but you'd need some additional power for 400's and above. This is where the replaceable batteries in the Etrex give an adavntage over the Edge, unless you want to carry an additional power pack or are able to charge via a dynohub.

The screen on the Edge is not that big. I have typical "old bloke" poor eyesight and can see the Pink track line, but I have to stop and get closer to the screen if I want to see a placename. I don't ride in my varifocals, though.
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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby Sweep » 3 Oct 2013, 12:40pm

I'd go for the Etrex 20.

IMHO the extra features of the 30 model are not worth the extra.
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Yes I was worried that the screen would be too small and I do have aging eyes but I find it OK - I'm short sighted and wear presciption lensed cycling glasses to see distance - the worst this means is that sometimes I have to slightly lift my cycling glasses to look down and focus on the screen.

In short, although I wouldn't want the screen any smaller, it's no problem at all.

I use a variety of free maps - OSM variants - ideal.

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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby meic » 3 Oct 2013, 1:26pm

IMHO the extra features of the 30 model are not worth the extra.


This is more likely to be true than not. However there are requirements for measuring altitude with a barometric altimeter for certain parts of the Audax experience.

So any Audaxer with an interest in chasing AAA points will want the 30 model.

Or if they dont fancy coping with a wet touch screen an older Vista HCx.

There is a possible drawback with the Vista that it doesnt use .tcx files. I am not bothered by it as I am happy enough just to follow tracks but I can imagine it being of benefit if a GPS did.

Do the 20 and 30 use .tcx's?
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Re: gps for audax rides.

Postby pedalsheep » 3 Oct 2013, 6:47pm

meic wrote
So any Audaxer with an interest in chasing AAA points will want the 30 model.

I've been chasing AAA points quite satisfactorily with an Etrex 20 - not had any problems so far.
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