Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby PJ520 » 8 Jul 2014, 4:34am

RonK wrote:To avoid blank looks from the counter staff, ask for cap screws.
Strictly speaking you should ask for Allen Head Cap Screws, what we think of as regular bolts are in fact Hex Head Cap Screws. You may be able to find Allen Head Set Screws to use as adjusting screws which would be a bit tidier, I don't know if they're available in really small sizes.
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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby Brucey » 8 Jul 2014, 6:52am

I think American English is different from British English here;

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http://www.britishfasteners.com/index.php/categories/bolts

tallies well with what I know and understand re. bolt and screw nomenclature in the UK.

It also explains some blank looks (in both directions) in past conversations involving 'grub screws' and 'set screws' I've had with U.S. based engineers.

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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby 531colin » 8 Jul 2014, 8:14am

I see a marketing opportunity here.......

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Get some of these made in marine stainless, sell a jewel-like key-fob tool to adjust them....

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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby ambodach » 8 Jul 2014, 12:01pm

The only nut house (that is what it is called) I know of is in Lerwick which is a long way off. Seriously tho' thanks for the suggestions of where to buy.

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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby reohn2 » 8 Jul 2014, 12:58pm

irc wrote:I've just replaced the low adjusting screw in my front derailler with a longer one. The one I had was an Allen bolt rather than the fitted cross head bold. Which made me wonder why derailler adjusting screws and V brake adjusters are just about the only place where Allen bolts are not used as standard.

Allen bolts have the advantages for me that eliminating non allen bolts means one less tool to carry and for the mechanically challenged, like me, it is obvious when you are using the correct size tool so the don't get damaged. So why not Allen bolts everywhere?

I don't know the answer to your question :? I just accept the fact :)
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I have to agree,and with a couple of strokes of a file the flat screwdriver on the end of the nail file made a perfect tool for limit stop screws for roadside adjustment :)
PS, the rest of the tools aren't bad either coming in handy for all sorts of unexpected little jobs
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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby Audax67 » 8 Jul 2014, 1:12pm

FWIW the first KlickFix HB mount I bought had cross-head self-tapping screws and was a swine to mount: the driver started slipping long before the rings gripped the bars. A year later I bought an extra one and it came with Allen screws: dead easy.
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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby simonineaston » 8 Jul 2014, 1:20pm

I prefer screwdrivers when it's something that requires twiddling as opposed to simply tightening up (and undoing). A screwdriver handle is easier for me to twiddle between my fingers than a hex key, and it's just as easy to position the tool in the screw. As an otherwise major fan of allen socket bolts, the adjusters in a derailleur mech are my only exception!
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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby profpointy » 8 Jul 2014, 2:15pm

well that's the choice of handle on the tool. I've got a set of screwdriver handled.allen keys & a t-bar set when a bit of oomph is needed.

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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby Ank@eel » 8 Jul 2014, 2:22pm

Excellent suppliert http://www.tightenup.co.uk/ in Twickenham, Middlesex.

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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 8 Jul 2014, 3:37pm

Hi,
RonK wrote:To avoid blank looks from the counter staff, ask for cap screws.


Hexagon Socket Cap Head Screws....to much information.
https://sg.misumi-ec.com/pdf/tech/mech/p2847.pdf

Beware that the stainless is not softer than the originalscrew.

Cross head is probably much cheaper to manufacture and more compact too.

Allen is a trade name............hence allen key
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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby PJ520 » 10 Jul 2014, 1:06am

I think American English is different from British English here;
Thanks Brucey. My experience was in building industrial planers in the US i.e. the things that made 2 X 4s by the thousand. A Allen Head Set screw was a screw with the Allen socket completely in the shank i.e. it had in fact no head and could be screwed down the hole if you see what I mean. I think these are called 'grub screws' in the UK.
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Re: Allen Bolts V Cross Head screws

Postby Richard D » 11 Jul 2014, 10:21pm

I've swapped almost all the bolts on my bike for Torx-head ones. Better than Allen bolts - easier to get good purchase on them with almost no risk of rounding, and a lower risk of the tool slipping.

Not thought of going near the derailleur limit stops, though.