"Weapons Grade" Lighting.

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Drake
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"Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby Drake » 18 Aug 2014, 6:31am

A fair proportion of my riding this year has been on trails and tracks, and to be honest i've had a whale of a time doing so.
So much so that myself and a friend wish to continue riding during the winter months. But because of other commitments, some of these jaunts will be at night.
So advice on so called "Weapons Grade" lighting would be appreciated.
If it helps, the following is what we would like.
Lamps within a budget of say between 50 and 100 quid.
Powerful enough for unlight tracks . . some of which will be quite rough and steep. So being able to see a far distance ahead would be an advantage.
Battery pack with a 2 to 3hr life on full power.
Good availability of a spare battery pack. From what i've read. claims for battery life can be somewhat exaggerated. We would therefore consider carrying spare battery packs.
I may be a be a bit old fashioned here, but is "o-ring" type mounting any good. Always seemed somewhat fragile to me.
Just a point of interest . . are any of this type of lamps supplied with a remote switch to enable light to be switched from full to reduced power.
Manythanks in advance.

tim-b
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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby tim-b » 18 Aug 2014, 6:59am

Hi
I've had superb service from this company http://www.mtbbatteries.co.uk/mountain-bike-lights/
Their lights get good reviews too
I've got their V2 and had a battery problem just inside the warranty period. A new one appeared, no questions, even before I'd sent the other back
Regards
tim-b
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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby Stewart H » 18 Aug 2014, 12:13pm

Try looking on Ebay with the search "cree cycle light" I was given one of the single source lamps last birthday and it turns night into day, this year there seem to be double and even triple ones, on the dim setting it seems to last a couple of hours and is superb.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby andrewjoseph » 18 Aug 2014, 2:18pm

I bought this for mtb night rides. No problems during mayhem 24 hr event.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 1243822332
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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby keepontriking » 18 Aug 2014, 3:09pm

See my post on cheap Cree lights bought online where the batteries exploded.
And some research shows I'm not the only one to have suffered from this.

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=89640

I wouldn't risk them again.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby Drake » 18 Aug 2014, 6:27pm

keepontriking wrote:See my post on cheap Cree lights bought online where the batteries exploded.
And some research shows I'm not the only one to have suffered from this.

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=89640

I wouldn't risk them again.


Ok. So are you saying that the budget of between 50 and 100 quid is to small ?
That was each by the way, not between us.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby mattsccm » 18 Aug 2014, 7:41pm

Have a look at the STW forum.
Ebay Solar storm head unit or just as cheap a complete set up. If or when the battery fails, try MTB batteries or Torchy the battery boy.
Cheapo Chinese lights work well, the batteries can be junk :roll:

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby keepontriking » 18 Aug 2014, 8:01pm

Drake wrote:
Ok. So are you saying that the budget of between 50 and 100 quid is to small ?
That was each by the way, not between us.


Nope, I'm saying beware the cheap Crees.
Don't end up being seduced by the price and use a reputable dealer.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby Drake » 19 Aug 2014, 9:37am

keepontriking wrote:
Drake wrote:
Ok. So are you saying that the budget of between 50 and 100 quid is to small ?
That was each by the way, not between us.


Nope, I'm saying beware the cheap Crees.
Don't end up being seduced by the price and use a reputable dealer.


If i could ask one further question then.
You obviously experienced a very nasty problem with this form of lighting.
Could i ask if you purchased another lamp, and if so, what make and price bracket.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby keepontriking » 19 Aug 2014, 9:49am

the investigation is ongoing.
Presently also have a Lezyne Micro Drive which looks to be the business but has not had extensive use - it not being very dark in the evenings yet. Most riding is presently with a Shimano hub dynamo.
The quest for good affordable lighting that doesn't explode and put life, limb and property at risk will continue.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby ferrit worrier » 19 Aug 2014, 4:11pm

try one of these beasties

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1W-KL2-5LM-B- ... 2ebfbb7ae3

I use one underground as my other hobby is mine restoration, I've had it over 12 months and it's never failed me good powerful light, better the old Oldham light I used before.

Malc

Ps I did one day have to strap it to the bike as my regular light had failed.
Percussive maintainance, if it don't fit, hit it with the hammer.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby shouldbeinbed » 19 Aug 2014, 5:45pm

Dealextreme have always been decent with me, they are ride a season and throw away prices, but the different bits I've had from them over the years have lasted a good few years before giving out or being upgraded.

The Cree T6 - magicshine-a-likes are seriously bright and I've not had one explode on me yet. For your budget you could buy a couple and have enough light to burn holes in rocks, or run them one at a time for longer duration riding.

If you think you might be using it on road at any time I'd suggest a fresnel glass too to make the beam better suited to that without adjusting the angle on the bars and to save burning out the oncoming drivers retinas. they're a few quid off amazon CandBseen (or similar name) and are a moment to switch over if the mood takes you - tho be careful, while I've not had a unit explode, they do get very hot in use.

If you do go the Chinese route then now would be a good time to order with the shipping lag before it starts getting properly dark before bedtime.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby Drake » 21 Aug 2014, 6:51am

Manythanks for all your advice and suggestions.
You've certainly given us food for thought.

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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby Edwards » 21 Aug 2014, 9:06am

Aldi are showing a 3W Cree Headtorch for£9 on their specials page. I find a headtorch very useful for off road riding because I can shine the light where I want to see not just where the bars are popinting. I do use bike mounted lights as well but not weapons grade.

I wonder if Rose bikes would have something suitable in your price range?
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Drake
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Re: "Weapons Grade" Lighting.

Postby Drake » 21 Aug 2014, 7:31pm

Edwards wrote:Aldi are showing a 3W Cree Headtorch for£9 on their specials page. I find a headtorch very useful for off road riding because I can shine the light where I want to see not just where the bars are popinting. I do use bike mounted lights as well but not weapons grade.

I wonder if Rose bikes would have something suitable in your price range?

I've often read about Rose Cycles (German Co.?)on this forum, but have never used them. Always been concerned about hidden charges when prderind from abroad.
The "weapons grade" lighting will definitely only be used off road. I have other lighting for the urban stretches.
I know, after reading other threads, that "weapons grade" lighting can be a somewhat emotive subject . . particularly if these systems are used under urban conditions
Which surprises me that these lights don't come with a remote switch to reduce light output.