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Re: motorised bicycle

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby pete75 » 22 Nov 2014, 6:40pm

531colin wrote:1953....BSA winged Wheel.......https://bsamuseum.wordpress.com/bsa-winged-wheel/


Found one of those** dumped when I was about 12. We got it going in old Raleigh roadster also dumped on the same old railway line.

** or it may have been a Cyclemotor - a very similar design

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 23 Nov 2014, 12:19am

Hi,
Sorry the bottom three are not english.

The double hair spring saddle is similar to my first bike saddle which had rod brakes.
I cant find any info on double hairspring leather saddle for a cycle, but I am sure my bike had one :?:
I believe these are the first motor powered cycles and first motorised bikes that they made (honda, kawasaki, suzuki) yamaha started with a purpose made motorcycle I think :?:
Not as early as other countries.
http://www.oldbike.eu/museum/engines/in ... roduction/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... le_history
I still own a Honda P50- suposedly last wheeled engine bike.
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Forty years ago I used to race against one of these on my daily commute to tech, I could leave it on the hills but was passed on the flat :?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorized_bicycle
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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby pete75 » 23 Nov 2014, 7:58am

How far back do you want to go. This is from 1899

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby niggle » 23 Nov 2014, 8:39am

Bicycler wrote:At one time all mopeds had pedals (hence the name). The very early ones were pretty much like the vehicles we are describing. The requirement to have pedals remained for many years but was dropped some years back.

Some 37 years back actually! I.e. 1st September 1977.

EDIT: at the same time the 30mph performance restriction came in, so when I was 16 in 1979 a pre 1.9.1977 pedal equipped unrestricted moped was preferred to a new one, particularly the legendary Yamaha FS1E 'Fizzy' which could be tuned to go quite a bit quicker, spotty youth owners used to claim 60mph, but probably more like 50...

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 23 Nov 2014, 10:46am

Hi,
Fizzy......but there were also Garralli, Gilera and Fantic.
My mates brother had a fantic unrestricted which did not need a key, so when they went out in the car me and mate wouild steal a ride up the lane :P
My other mate a hade a Suzuki restricted when when we left school brand new and I got a ride, I never know how he could afford it as I could'nt, hence when I started tech I was jut one of two that cycled and the other 30 students on my course all had motorbikes :?

Unrestricted of course below.
http://classic-motorbikes.net/wp/1970s-moped-shootout/

But I digress the early add on motors were no more than very poor chain saw / strimmer motors of today.
And as you see they were motors stolen from generators etc,

How far back will you go :?:
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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby mercalia » 23 Nov 2014, 5:21pm

The pedals were originally just to start it - never intended to actually drive it? better than a kick start?

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby fivebikes » 23 Nov 2014, 6:03pm

Not sure whether legal in the UK but you can buy a bolt on unit here!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/33cc-friction ... 0678060969
I remember seeing a few friction drive cycles years ago in France but the unit was over the front wheel driving the front tyre.

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby niggle » 23 Nov 2014, 9:26pm

mercalia wrote:The pedals were originally just to start it - never intended to actually drive it? better than a kick start?

I think they were also there to give 'light pedal assistance' on hills, particularly for the weedy performance British mopeds.

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby MikeF » 23 Nov 2014, 10:28pm

And auto wheels http://oldbike.wordpress.com/1914-humber-ladies-bicycle-with-wall-autowheel/ although these are rather early examples.

Mopeds were designed rather differently from motor assisted bicycles in that the emphasis was more on using engine power rather than just assistance. Engines were usually 49cc ie just below 50cc max and frames bore little resemblance to bike frames.

Just before and after the war autocycles were quite popular. These had a tubular frame and a 98cc (Villiers usually) engine. They had pedals but these were used for starting. You could put the cycle on its rear wheel stand and pedal to start it, take it off the stand and then ride it like a small motorbike.http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic-bikes-2/rudge-autocycle.jpg
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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby mercalia » 27 Nov 2014, 3:17pm

well if any one wants a cyclemaster - there is one on ebay at£500 at the moment

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cyclemaster-in-a-1930s-40s-Raliegh-for-restoration-/161471912894?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item259879dbbe

could be worth it just for the rear engine wheel?

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby merseymouth » 27 Nov 2014, 5:40pm

Hello there, The general term for such motors is "Stinkwheel", indeed go to http://WWW.stinkwheel.ukfsn.org where you will learn a great deal.Recently a PowerPack motor went for £500 on ebay, had it been a Ducati Cucciolo it would have certainly reach a fair 4 figure sum! TTFN MM

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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby gaz » 28 Nov 2014, 6:06pm

Spartamet on Ebay. No connection to seller nor knowledge of the machine.
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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby breakwellmz » 1 Dec 2014, 3:26pm

I thought this was rather lovely-
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Re: motorised bicycle

Postby mercalia » 1 Dec 2014, 6:37pm

yes very pretty. if some thing like this was available I would be tempted to buy one. great as a touring bike, attach a trailer? could carry a gallon of petrol and go any where