mjr wrote:mattsccm wrote: Should there be a need to single out the outer rider drops back into the space created by the inner rider in row 2 who has dropped back. A decent group knows and does this. It was banged into club newbies from day one. Of course now we have people who learn to ride on the www and by watching racing on telly. Not a clue.
One thing the www has revealed is where clubs differ and whether the right rider overtakes or drops back when singling out is another thing like which way is "car up" - even long-established decent clubs disagree!
This is the main reason I ( mostly ) refuse to ride with ‘clubs’. The amount of times I’ve witnessed screw ups ( some leading to pile ups, where riders have been hospitalised) because the clubby riders really don’t seem to have a clue, how to deal with evolving situations ( but seem to think they do, and what they’re doing is ‘right’) puts me right off. Most of the ‘clubby’ riders I’ve encountered have been the worst riders I’ve ever ridden with. There have been a few exceptions, but they tend to be the very experienced ( possibly former / current pro )types. Those have tended to be a rare exception, so I won’t ride with clubs, just in case.