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M-Check etc.

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 9:52am
by gaz
But can you do a "M-check"? Can't be a cycle inspector without knowing your "M-check" :wink: .

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 10:21am
by Mick F
Ok, I'll bite.

What's an M-check?

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 10:24am
by Bonefishblues
Mick F wrote:Ok, I'll bite.

What's an M-check?

We is all M-checking our homies Mick. You is needin to be down with the aforementioned kidz.

(No, I've no idea either)

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 11:02am
by PH
Mick F wrote:Ok, I'll bite.

What's an M-check?

https://www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/ge ... -11-steps/

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 11:07am
by Mick F
Thanks, but it doesn't answer the question.
We all know about checking stuff - car, bike, or whatever.

What is an M-check?
Why is it called M-check?

Sorry, just scrolled down to the bottom.
I see it now, but it isn't in the text at all. Still doesn't seem right to me. Silly expression IMO.

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 11:11am
by PH
Mick F wrote:I see it now, but it isn't in the text at all. Still doesn't seem right to me. Silly expression IMO.

I've seen it being taught to a group of school kids, I thought it an effective method. It isn't aimed at you or I.

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 11:17am
by Mick F
:D :D
No, I agree!

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 2:54pm
by horizon
PH wrote:
Mick F wrote:I see it now, but it isn't in the text at all. Still doesn't seem right to me. Silly expression IMO.

I've seen it being taught to a group of school kids, I thought it an effective method. It isn't aimed at you or I.


+ 1. I really liked it (the video that is). Very clear and straightforward and not a torque wrench in sight! It might be aimed at me though: I often have to go through the basics on things. I would have added a point 12, lights. Or even a point 13: check the temperature, is there likely to be ice on the ground? And no mention of the H word. Good!

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 3:28pm
by Si
M check is good in that it makes people follow a prescribed path along the bike checking stuff as they go and so they are less likely to forget stuff. However one of the main issues with it is that everyone's version of it is different, i.e. includes different checks.

There is also the ABC, ABCD and ABCDE etc etc checks. M check is monthly, ABC is before every ride.

Air
Brakes
Chain
Drop
Everything else

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 5:54pm
by Tinpotflowers
Si wrote:M check is good in that it makes people follow a prescribed path along the bike checking stuff as they go and so they are less likely to forget stuff. However one of the main issues with it is that everyone's version of it is different, i.e. includes different checks.

There is also the ABC, ABCD and ABCDE etc etc checks. M check is monthly, ABC is before every ride.

Air
Brakes
Chain
Drop
Everything else




D = Dangles
E = Engagement eg saddle and bars

M-check etc.

Posted: 30 Dec 2019, 8:38am
by Si
Which proves my point somewhat .

And then there is the 96 Ls.

Re: When will P Tuohy Leave?

Posted: 30 Dec 2019, 8:43am
by Cyril Haearn
96ls?

Re: M-check etc.

Posted: 31 Dec 2019, 9:46am
by pjclinch
Mick F wrote:Thanks, but it doesn't answer the question.
We all know about checking stuff - car, bike, or whatever.

What is an M-check?
Why is it called M-check?

Sorry, just scrolled down to the bottom.
I see it now, but it isn't in the text at all. Still doesn't seem right to me. Silly expression IMO.


It seems to work for the folks learning it IME though.

While you'd need to be a bit anal to do it every time (which is why the ABC is increasingly emphasised as that really is easy to do every time) when I was doing sport coaching in a JCC we'd do a full M check every session, because there was no way to know (as instructors) what had happened to the bikes since we last saw them checked, and with a group sport context there was increased potential for fiascoes. We'd always make a point of having riders change bikes, as it turns out people can be much better at finding problems in other folks' bikes than their own! We'd often catch minor issues this way (also the case with helmet checks, people are hilariously bad at self-assessing the fit of crash helmets but as the Nat Standards point out, if you wear one it needs to be properly fitted).

In a Bikeability context we'd use it for a quick pre-course assessment of all bikes, with fails sent home with a note of what needed done and where that might be effected, and we'd want to see each participant demonstrate an M-Check at least once. While there's merit in doing a full M every session there's the issue that it transmits the idea that you shouldn't ever ride without a bit of a faff up front, and that's as good a reason as many folk need to not bother riding.

Pete.

Re: M-Check etc.

Posted: 31 Dec 2019, 9:59am
by Marcus Aurelius
The M check is surprisingly effective at finding issues. Whenever I’m leading a ride for B.C. the M check always surprises. I’ve had people prepared to start a ride with some hilarious problems with their bikes. Normally they’re sortable with nothing more than a multi tool, sometimes not, those are eye openers for sure. Never underestimate some folks lack of even basic mechanical comprehension.

Re: M-Check etc.

Posted: 31 Dec 2019, 10:52am
by mjr
JCC?