FILUMS .. Dud endings/starts/concept

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Re: FILUMS .. Dud endings/starts/concept

Postby mercalia » 26 Nov 2018, 7:50am

Well they were yank germs?

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Re: FILUMS .. Dud endings/starts/concept

Postby Pastychomper » 3 Dec 2018, 4:29pm

Whippet wrote:My worst ending is the Spielberg version of War of the Worlds. In the book and 50’s version, man was totally defeated and the Martians only died because they had no immunity to germs. In the Spielberg version the aliens were indeed affected by germs but for some reason Spielberg felt it necessary for the staggering tripod to be brought down by a missile from some marines. It kind of spoils the point made at the end of the story and was presumably inserted so that dumb red necks in the audience could have their fist pumping moment.


Thanks, I watched the first hour or so once and was never motivated to finish it. I'm glad I didn't miss anything worthwhile. (As I recall, I was put off by the loud banging of the old failed-father-who-needs-to-find-himself drum when they could have been telling the story.)

My worst? Probably Species - I'm embarrassed to admit to having got that far, but the ending's double-barrelled plot holes did actually manage to make the film even worse. Then there's Resident Evil, which I always remember for its lack of plot, though TBF I might be biased since I managed to see a version that also had most of the special effects toned down.
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Re: FILUMS .. Dud endings/starts/concept

Postby Mick F » 3 Dec 2018, 5:02pm

Worst ending was Italian Job.
Over the years, it has become iconic so it was good, but it wasn't at the time.

At the time it was horrific. At the last minute of screenplay production, they changed the ending in the expectation of a sequel and how they got out.

The original story was for the boys to get the gold to a Swiss bank only to find that the bank manager was the Mafia boss and a deal had to be done.
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Postby brynpoeth » 3 Dec 2018, 5:26pm

Many stories/books have to be modified, condensed a lot to make a film, some stories have to be stretched

Thelma & Louise, mentioned elsewhere, has an interesting ending, trying to jump the Grand Canyon in a car :(
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Re: FILUMS .. Dud endings/starts/concept

Postby mercalia » 3 Dec 2018, 6:27pm

Mick F wrote:Worst ending was Italian Job.
Over the years, it has become iconic so it was good, but it wasn't at the time.

At the time it was horrific. At the last minute of screenplay production, they changed the ending in the expectation of a sequel and how they got out.

The original story was for the boys to get the gold to a Swiss bank only to find that the bank manager was the Mafia boss and a deal had to be done.


Ah that would be bad ending. Didnt they do a remake of the film? what was that like?

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Postby Mick F » 3 Dec 2018, 8:06pm

They did a US version using BMW German Mini abominations. Never seen it, and never want to.

As for the original ending for the film, the Mafia boss and Charlie Croker did a deal on the gold, so at least they would have got half of the three million dollars.

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Postby 661-Pete » 3 Dec 2018, 8:45pm

Mick F wrote:Worst ending was Italian Job.
Over the years, it has become iconic so it was good, but it wasn't at the time.
Hey! You can't really mean that! Best ending ever for a film IMO. And of course it provides the perfect theme for the real-life disaster currently playing out in British politics:
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Oh but of course I was forgetting - you are of the opposite persuasion. So maybe you don't see the funny side as most of us do....
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Postby 661-Pete » 3 Dec 2018, 8:52pm

Not sure if I'm being fair to cite this, after all it was very much of the low-budget B-movie genre (even if not billed as such) back in the early 60s.

Day of the Triffids.

I just can't buy into that "sea-water" remedy to all the human race's immediate problems, sorry. Too pat, too easy. Needless to say, neither the book nor the more recent TV version ends anything like it.

Incidentally, has anyone else read the fan-sequel, Night of the Triffids, by Simon Clark? A fairly decent follow-up, I thought, though not as good as John Wyndham's classic of course. Worth a read. In it the Triffids figure out how to take to the sea-water, hence giving the lie to the 1962 movie ending once and for all...
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Postby brynpoeth » 3 Dec 2018, 8:59pm

Plus One for The Night of the Triffids, I have read that too

Minus Two for product placement, usually it is that awful German make of car a*** :(
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Re: FILUMS .. Dud endings/starts/concept

Postby brynpoeth » 3 Dec 2018, 9:00pm

661-Pete wrote:
Mick F wrote:Worst ending was Italian Job.
Over the years, it has become iconic so it was good, but it wasn't at the time.
Hey! You can't really mean that! Best ending ever for a film IMO. And of course it provides the perfect theme for the real-life disaster currently playing out in British politics:
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Oh but of course I was forgetting - you are of the opposite persuasion. So maybe you don't see the funny side as most of us do....

I am not of the opposite persuasion, it makes me want to cry :?
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Re: FILUMS .. Dud endings/starts/concept

Postby pete75 » 6 Dec 2018, 4:43pm

Whippet wrote:My worst ending is the Spielberg version of War of the Worlds. In the book and 50’s version, man was totally defeated and the Martians only died because they had no immunity to germs. In the Spielberg version the aliens were indeed affected by germs but for some reason Spielberg felt it necessary for the staggering tripod to be brought down by a missile from some marines. It kind of spoils the point made at the end of the story and was presumably inserted so that dumb red necks in the audience could have their fist pumping moment.


In teh novel HMS Thunderchild destroys a couple of tripods. The marine missile is just a modernised version of this as the film is set in the present day.

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Postby Whippet » 6 Dec 2018, 5:01pm

Thunder child was half way through the book and was subsequently defeated / sunk / disappeared into a fog bank. The Thunderchild episode in the 50’s film was the neuclear bomb, and in the latest film was the smart missile attack mostly hidden over the brow of the hill, both failed. The marines with a rocket launcher was at the end of the film and a totally different part of the narrative.

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Postby pete75 » 6 Dec 2018, 7:30pm

Whippet wrote:Thunder child was half way through the book and was subsequently defeated / sunk / disappeared into a fog bank. The Thunderchild episode in the 50’s film was the neuclear bomb, and in the latest film was the smart missile attack mostly hidden over the brow of the hill, both failed. The marines with a rocket launcher was at the end of the film and a totally different part of the narrative.


Not having seen either film I'll have to take your word for that. Were the marines on a ship when they fired the missile? I guess if there was such an invasion and with their fighting history the Royal Marines wouldn't stand idly by and do nothing.

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Re: FILUMS .. Dud endings/starts/concept

Postby mercalia » 6 Dec 2018, 7:39pm

Contact with Jodie Foster. So she gets to meet aliens for the first time, after being dropped thru some thing or other but it is cut short after just a few minutes on the beach chatting to an image of her dad was it , as thats the way it has been done for millenia She should have told him well not to bother in future?