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I have no doubt that various pilots have seen things that have not yet been identified.

I am not suggesting that pilots' training makes them unreliable, but if you are looking for an aircraft then you will interpret things that you see as an aircraft.

I am suggesting that things that we cannot yet explain aren't necessarily things that will always be unexplained.
The age old adage applies - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

"We don't know" is far more reasonable than "little green men"
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Which all reminds me of the amazing photos of ships hovering in mid-air e.g. Image
not my photo, I've never observed the phenomenon and no Photoshop involved.

We now know it's caused by atmospheric conditions bending the light but if you are not a meteorologist or unaware of the cause must be an amazing sight.

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Mike Sales wrote: 18 Sep 2021, 9:49am Absence of explanation is a long way from the extraordinary evidence required.
I don't disagree,though when trained observers have minutes assess a phenomena at reletively close quaterts,as per the 'tictac' incident(there are others)and can't come up with an answer that fits with known aircraft and defies physical laws as we understand them,questions need asking as to what it is these paople have seen.
It seems to me infinitely more likely that these so far unexplained phenomena have an explanation other than extraterrestial visitors
Quite possibly,I've not said otherwise,but ET's are one explanation that should be concidered along with all others.

I believe that there are other things that science has not yet understood. I do not think that these other phenomena license suggesting unknown, unlikely explanations
You seem to contradict yourself there.
If we,the human race,with all our technical knowhow can't explain what's been seen,sometimes at very close quarters,performing movements outside our our understanding,the only thing we know is that we don't know.

Rational people,some far more experienced than you or I make no claims for knowing the unknown,crackpots OTOH claim any number of things about all sorts.

Extraterrestial visitations as an explanation require so many complicated and extraordinary suppositions that they fall foul of Occam's razor.
Agreed,but when all other lines of inquiry are exhuasted without result or logical explaination,the fantastic has to be considered.

Once again I say the only thing I know with regard to UFOs or UAPs is that I don't know and similarly so others far cleverer than I.
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[XAP]Bob wrote: 19 Sep 2021, 11:06am I have no doubt that various pilots have seen things that have not yet been identified.

I am not suggesting that pilots' training makes them unreliable, but if you are looking for an aircraft then you will interpret things that you see as an aircraft.

I am suggesting that things that we cannot yet explain aren't necessarily things that will always be unexplained.
The age old adage applies - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

"We don't know" is far more reasonable than "little green men"
Agreed!
But when you expect to see a known aircraft shape and size and see a 'tictac' shaped object flying,defying all known physical boundaries flight it must be a bit of a shock to the system. :shock:
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reohn2 wrote: 19 Sep 2021, 11:40am
Mike Sales wrote: 18 Sep 2021, 9:49am Absence of explanation is a long way from the extraordinary evidence required.
It seems to me infinitely more likely that these so far unexplained phenomena have an explanation other than extraterrestial visitors
Quite possibly,I've not said otherwise,but ET's are one explanation that should be concidered along with all others.

I think you'd need to establish more evidence before ET can be seriously considered.
And have some decent reason why ET is happy to be seen and do aerial tricks, but hasn't actually just landed and said "you're idiots".

Else you need to seriously consider that they saw the ends of the noodles of the FSM
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Psamathe wrote: 19 Sep 2021, 11:27am Which all reminds me of the amazing photos of ships hovering in mid-air e.g. Image
not my photo, I've never observed the phenomenon and no Photoshop involved.

We now know it's caused by atmospheric conditions bending the light but if you are not a meteorologist or unaware of the cause must be an amazing sight.

Ian
Quite!
I've seen myself haloed by a Brokenspectre twice on two sperate occasions,a thousand years ago I could've claimed to be a god as a result,similarly so flying ships,but we know otherwise.
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[XAP]Bob wrote: 19 Sep 2021, 2:18pm
reohn2 wrote: 19 Sep 2021, 11:40am
Mike Sales wrote: 18 Sep 2021, 9:49am Absence of explanation is a long way from the extraordinary evidence required.
It seems to me infinitely more likely that these so far unexplained phenomena have an explanation other than extraterrestial visitors
Quite possibly,I've not said otherwise,but ET's are one explanation that should be concidered along with all others.

I think you'd need to establish more evidence before ET can be seriously considered.
And have some decent reason why ET is happy to be seen and do aerial tricks, but hasn't actually just landed and said "you're idiots".
I quite agree,
Though what may seem like aerial 'tricks' to us may be normal flight manouvres to them and much wiser beings than us may feel they shouldn't interfere with the course of our evolution.
Else you need to seriously consider that they saw the ends of the noodles of the FSM
If only I knew what that meant..... :?
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May his noodles appendages not smite thee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
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[XAP]Bob wrote: 19 Sep 2021, 5:33pm May his noodles appendages not smite thee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Love it :lol: :lol: :lol:
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