Role model: who is yours?

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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby brynpoeth » 3 Mar 2019, 6:27pm

Bert Trautmann made a great contribution to international understanding, he was a German goalie who took the Etihad Shilling soon after ww2, a film of his life appears soon

Any suggestions for an alternative term to 'Role Model'?
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby brynpoeth » 31 Mar 2019, 7:09am

Joss Naylor gets a lot of votes here
Does he cycle?
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby Paulatic » 31 Mar 2019, 8:15am

brynpoeth wrote:Joss Naylor gets a lot of votes here
Does he cycle?

Yes, I’ve seen him on a bike. :D
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby Cugel » 31 Mar 2019, 4:30pm

brynpoeth wrote:Joss Naylor gets a lot of votes here
Does he cycle?


I like the Joss as a fell runner and as a sporty lad who doesn't sucumb to prima-donna seleb mode. However, this doesn't make him "my hero" as who knows what else he gets up to? Perhaps he votes Tory and runs after cyclists to tell them off for riding on the bridleways? Or worse (although little is worse than voting Tory). :-)

It's a modern thing to confuse good actions with good "personalities". Good actions are to be admired, praised and referenced as exemplary. But "good personalities" may easily exude some bad person habits, whether one hasn't heard of them or whether they are yet to manifest. All of us are awful sinners, ripe for the sinning and very lucky if we've not given in to the various temptations to be "all too human".

To make a hero of someone, rather than some of their particular actions, is to suspend judgement about their other actions. Many end up as fans, excusing the most outrageous acts as the actor is "my hero".

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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby brynpoeth » 31 Mar 2019, 5:48pm

One of my role models, Walter Kempowski*, wrote something like:
Even the kindest people [Bob Holman, Cugel, brynpoeth..] have done stupid, nasty things
Even the nastiest nazi was once a cute little baby

* German author, he died in 2007 but I visited his home and met his wife. Anyone else here interested in German literature?
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby brynpoeth » 6 Apr 2019, 8:54am

Jacinda Ardern, pm of nz, is very popular and admired right now but her star will sink sooner or later

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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 6 Apr 2019, 9:01am

Neil Armstrong. One of the best stick and rudder men that ever lived, but modest and understated to a painful degree. I'll never have his character, but if I had to choose a decent human being to emulate then it would be him.
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby brynpoeth » 6 Apr 2019, 9:13am

Lance Dopestrong was a model policeperson, he booked WVMs who parked illegally, Plus One!
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby reohn2 » 6 Apr 2019, 9:14am

brynpoeth wrote:Jacinda Ardern, pm of nz, is very popular and admired right now but her star will sink sooner or later.......

I agree,contrast her with the poor excuse the UK has for PM and it's easy to see why the UK is in the mess it is.
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby horizon » 6 Apr 2019, 2:59pm

Writing in another thread reminded me of Gorbachev, IMV the greatest statesman of the last century and indeed a role model.
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby Lance Dopestrong » 6 Apr 2019, 4:42pm

horizon wrote:Writing in another thread reminded me of Gorbachev, IMV the greatest statesman of the last century and indeed a role model.


Definitely a pragmatist, too far ahead of his time.
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Re: Role model: who is yours?

Postby brynpoeth » 16 Apr 2019, 6:32am

Tiger Woods, the Greatest Comeback in sporting history, perhaps (Grauniad) :wink:
Anyone agree?
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