What should Jeremy do?

[Username]

They don't like him, do they. What would you do in his position?

Continue to drive fast, but not as fast as Hammond.

[al_yrpal]

What did I mean?

"Jeremy not being credible to enough to voters to enable the Labour Party to become the elected government."

He lost, and until he goes and Labour adopt more realistic policies they will keep on losing. The UK lacks leadership at the moment and it's hard to see where politics is going. Corbyn gave it his best shot and attracted millions of voters with unrealistic policies who never experienced how his type of socialism damages everybody's wealth, but they weren't enough. I remember the 30% inflation, IMF bailout and industrial strife of the 1970s and 80s clearly. So do many of us. It's why the majority of us are voting for the Tories, not because we love Etonians and Newspaper barons. Corbyn practices the politics of envy, he sounds like a political dinosoar. Denis Skinner politics is about as attractive as old Etonians.

And yes, Theresa should go too, her unrealistic unpopular ideas have shown her to be an unsuitable leader.

Al

[reohn2]

They don't like him, do they. What would you do in his position?

Continue to drive fast, but not as fast as Hammond.

I some how don't think Cornyn would be so stupid,he strikes me as a chap in it for the long haul and likely to spin out as appears to be the case with some others in the race

[reohn2]

What did I mean?

"Jeremy not being credible to enough to voters to enable the Labour Party to become the elected government."

He lost, and until he goes and Labour adopt more realistic policies they will keep on losing. The UK lacks leadership at the moment and it's hard to see where politics is going. Corbyn gave it his best shot and attracted millions of voters with unrealistic policies who never experienced how his type of socialism damages everybody's wealth, but they weren't enough. I remember the 30% inflation, IMF bailout and industrial strife of the 1970s and 80s clearly. So do many of us. It's why the majority of us are voting for the Tories, not because we love Etonians and Newspaper barons. Corbyn practices the politics of envy, he sounds like a political dinosoar. Denis Skinner politics is about as attractive as old Etonians.

And yes, Theresa should go too, her unrealistic unpopular ideas have shown her to be an unsuitable leader.

Al

Oh the good old 1970's threats should I move to North Korea?
At least we agree one one thing,May is a liability,like Cameron was,they follow the same set plan cut public spending slash taxes to the rich and multinationals.
You voted for the Tories because they look after the rich,I voted for Labour because they promise a better society for everyone.

[al_yrpal]

I forgive your serial gaffes , cutting Corporation Tax is designed to attract multinational businesses to Britain to provide more jobs. Cutting taxes allows everyone to keep more of their earnings to spend how they wish. Punitive levels of taxation drive the wealthy away and will lower the overall tax take. These policies have allowed taxes for the poorest to be cut substantially. With Skinner envy politics we will all be poorer and less able to support the poorest, disabled and frail aged.

Al

[pwa]

What did I mean?

"Jeremy not being credible to enough to voters to enable the Labour Party to become the elected government."

He lost, and until he goes and Labour adopt more realistic policies they will keep on losing. The UK lacks leadership at the moment and it's hard to see where politics is going. Corbyn gave it his best shot and attracted millions of voters with unrealistic policies who never experienced how his type of socialism damages everybody's wealth, but they weren't enough. I remember the 30% inflation, IMF bailout and industrial strife of the 1970s and 80s clearly. So do many of us. It's why the majority of us are voting for the Tories, not because we love Etonians and Newspaper barons. Corbyn practices the politics of envy, he sounds like a political dinosoar. Denis Skinner politics is about as attractive as old Etonians.

And yes, Theresa should go too, her unrealistic unpopular ideas have shown her to be an unsuitable leader.

Al

Oh the good old 1970's threats should I move to North Korea?
At least we agree one one thing,May is a liability,like Cameron was,they follow the same set plan cut public spending slash taxes to the rich and multinationals.
Your voted for the Tories because they look after the rich.

If Labour had had a leader like John Smith or even Kinnock I might have voted for them. They have had a lot of decent leaders over the years. Corbyn did better that most of us expected, but he still lost an election that a more credible leader could have won.

[reohn2]

I forgive your serial gaffes , cutting Corporation Tax is designed to attract multinational businesses to Britain to provide more jobs. Cutting taxes allows everyone to keep more of their earnings to spend how they wish. Punitive levels of taxation drive the wealthy away and will lower the overall tax take. These policies have allowed taxes for the poorest to be cut substantially. With Skinner envy politics we will all be poorer and less able to support the poorest, disabled and frail aged.

Al

Cutting taxes when public spending is being slashed allows rich people to accrue more wealth,the wealth becomes more concentrated in into fewer hands(the hands that fund the Tory party)and society suffers as a result.
See my posts up thread re homelessness,debt,food banks and cuts in benefits to the disabled and worse off in society,and all in the 5th or 6th richest country in the world.
Ireland's corporation tax is an anomaly within the EU the lowest in the rest of the EU is 26%,low taxes suit the rich in our society,the Tories are funded by the rich in our society and some who fund the Tories don't even live in our society yet make their profit from our society but little or no taxes into our society.
I'll repeat the shocking revelations of Grenfell that shows up the unbridled capitalist cancer we've allowed to prosper in our society,among a pile of other sickly stuff that's been allowed to happen,that I've gone into up thread.
Of course it doesn't touch the rich in our society because they can afford for it not to,helped on by tax cuts and low wages/zerohours contracts etc.
So stop piddling down my back(in true trickledown theory economics)and telling me it's raining I'm not buying

[reohn2]

If Labour had had a leader like John Smith or even Kinnock I might have voted for them. They have had a lot of decent leaders over the years. Corbyn did better that most of us expected, but he still lost an election that a more credible leader could have won.

You'll be telling me next if the Tories had a leader like Thatcher we'd all be smelling of roses.
Whilst I agree John Smith was a good leader and a Socialist,he's dead,Kinnock moved on.Corbyn is in it for the long haul,he always has been,true,honest and a man for the whole country not a certain section of it,check his credentials,then check May's or any other prospective Tory leader.

Labour lost but so did the Tories,don't forget that.

And the pig's ear May's making of things there'll be another GE shortly,we'll see if there's a winner next time eh?

[al_yrpal]

Unbridled capitalist cancer wasn't the cause of Grenfell, it was a failure of regulation. The Aussies and many others have the same problem. Letting a contractor choose the insulation material was a mistake and they got it wrong. It should have been clearly specified by the Architects/Consultants.

The actions of the lefty lynch mob give a glimpse of what we can expect under a Skinner regime. But, the mob won't succeed, the British public have more common sense.

The more you post extremist nonsense, the more your views will get challenged.

Al

[reohn2]

Unbridled capitalist cancer wasn't the cause of Grenfell, it was a failure of regulation. The Aussies and many others have the same problem. Letting a contractor choose the insulation material was a mistake and they got it wrong. It should have been clearly specified by the Architects/Consultants.

The actions of the lefty lynch mob give a glimpse of what we can expect under a Skinner regime. But, the mob won't succeed, the British public have more common sense.

The more you post extremist nonsense, the more your views will get challenged.

Al

What system lets such things happen when legislation exists in other countries that have long since learned the Grenfell lesson,when tenants of that tower block have complained long and hard about the condition and safety of their homes without being listened to?
This isn't extremist nonsense it's lack care and corner for people, cutting costs by the people in charge of the show.
Eric Pickles sat on a report for two years about the safety concerns in those tower blocks,Boris Johnson told another MP to "get stuffed" in a public meeting when he brought up concerns about it.
Both these people are government ministers and one,heaven help us,is the foreign secratary, so I challenge your "extremist nonsense" quip and remind you they've not finished counting the dead yet!
The Tories and their philosophy sicken me to my stomach

[pwa]

If Labour had had a leader like John Smith or even Kinnock I might have voted for them. They have had a lot of decent leaders over the years. Corbyn did better that most of us expected, but he still lost an election that a more credible leader could have won.

You'll be telling me next if the Tories had a leader like Thatcher we'd all be smelling of roses.
Whilst I agree John Smith was a good leader and a Socialist,he's dead,Kinnock moved on.Corbyn is in it for the long haul,he always has been,true,honest and a man for the whole country not a certain section of it,check his credentials,then check May's or any other prospective Tory leader.

Labour lost but so did the Tories,don't forget that.

And the pig's ear May's making of things there'll be another GE shortly,we'll see if there's a winner next time eh?

Labour lost but with a different leader they could have won! With a different leader they could be in power today.

[PH]

. I remember the 30% inflation, IMF bailout and industrial strife of the 1970s and 80s clearly.

You keep going on about the 70s but forget the Curly Worly, Space Hoppers and Star Wars.
You also seem to have forgotten the causes of that high inflation, mainly the oil crises where prices rose by 70%. Then attribute the other factors to the Labour Government that came into power in 74, when even the briefest glance at history shows the causes came about under Heath. As Tories go he wasn't the worst, he nationalised and saved RR Engines, but he was clueless on industrial relations. His tax cutting budget led to a short term economic recovery but at the price of inflation and record unemployment, the Tory bright idea to bring it under control was to cap wages!! The IMF bailout you're so keen on flinging at the Labour Government was largely to pay for Heath's mess. But the UK had been the heaviest user of IMF loans since the 1940s, why was the 70s different? There's plenty of analysis all over the WWW and some disagreement, all of it is clear that the IMF under US control had adopted Milton Friedman's monetarism. The loan, unlike any before it, was political as much as financial, the conditions attached went way beyond the ability to pay. The left, in particular Tony Benn, were against accepting it, advocating industrial revitalisation, protectionism and of course out of the EEC.
Any discussion on UK economics might start with comparing borrowing against GDP, then lets hear how bad the 70s were.
Of course it wasn't all rosy, it was a crossroads, the UK had sat back and basked in some perceived idea of supremacy, industry private and public was complacent, workers had tasted a bit of power and could afford to strike, something had to change. So we gave up on our industries, coal, steel, ship building, car manufacturing, moved away from the idea of social ownership, utilities, housing, public building, transport, and replaced it with the idea that we can do better by adding value and service. An idea that's been propped up by the oil revenue, but is fast falling apart.
We're at another crossroads, I hope we make some better decisions this time.

[al_yrpal]

No, it was Harold, Jim and militant union wreckers opposed to Heath what done it, that's what I remember. Then we got Maggie and she practically wiped out British Manufacturing. A catalogue of incompetence and failure. We are having another spell now...

Al

[PH]

Labour lost but with a different leader they could have won! With a different leader they could be in power today.

What leader? Any in particular or just anyone but Corbyn?
But policy is more important than power, yes of course you need one for the other, but it works both ways. Power without policy is no better than policy without power.

[PH]

No, it was Harold, Jim and militant union wreckers opposed to Heath what done it, that's what I remember.
Al

I try not to rely too heavily on memory, thankfully in this information age there's less need.
I'd expect us to disagree on the analysis, but all of the facts included in my post are easy to check.