What should Jeremy do?

[reohn2]

Frankly no !
In conversation with friends and family Tuesday night in Truro this subject came up .....As Cornish they where making great noises about how poor Cornwall was, how little opportunity, poor medical facilities (true) ...... but this all by comparison .....

I beg to differ,in the past 7 years of Tory government homelessness has soared,funding of the NHS education,and social services have be cut,and benefits to the needy have been slashed unmercifully,whilst at the same time the rich have had tax cuts and corparation tax has fell by 10% and set to be lowered still,whilst multinational companies who make their profits in the UK evade paying their full whack in taxes ie;Google @ 3%!.
Yes it's all reletive if you compare things with Syrian refugees or the lower caste sections of the Indian subcontinent or parts of Africa,etc.
But the UK is the 5th or 6th richest country in the world,where the rich get richer at the expense of the poor.
That is immoral IMHO, YVMV

"What should Jeremy do? " ..... is the point .... it really doesn't matter what he wants to do the Civil Service will carry on with their quiet rule of the country ..... as they always do ... and have.

Again I have to differ because I and 40% of the people who voted at the last general election agree his party's manifesto if implemented will change things for the better,again YVMV
BTW the Tories who didn't win the election are now heading Brexit negotiations with the EUROPEAN presently yet haven't formed a government as they've been unable to make a deal with the DUP and AFAIK any deal they do make is to be challenged in the courts!

And my main point .... it does not seem to matter who is in power we all seem to do ok .... in real terms ...

With that kind of outlook theres no point in having elections,and IMHO is a narrow minded attitude from some one who's doing well and judges everyones standard of life by their own or by the attitude of "don't complain you could be Syrian refugee or be living in a slum in Delhi od Somalia,etc,etc"
That's is not the attitude or standard the UK should be setting for it's poor,elderly and under privileged,unforntunately it's how the Tories have set the course for the country.
Again YVMV,mine won't

[pwa]

Frankly no !
In conversation with friends and family Tuesday night in Truro this subject came up .....As Cornish they where making great noises about how poor Cornwall was, how little opportunity, poor medical facilities (true) ...... but this all by comparison .....

I beg to differ,in the past 7 years of Tory government homelessness has soared,funding of the NHS education,and social services have be cut,and benefits to the needy have been slashed unmercifully,whilst at the same time the rich have had tax cuts and corparation tax has fell by 10% and set to be lowered still.
Yes it's all reletive if you compare things with Syrian refugees or the lower caste sections of the Indian subcontinent or parts of Africa,etc.
But the UK is the 5th or 6th richest country in the world,where the rich get richer at the expense of the poor.
That is immoral IMHO, YVMV

"What should Jeremy do? " ..... is the point .... it really doesn't matter what he wants to do the Civil Service will carry on with their quiet rule of the country ..... as they always do ... and have.

Again I have to differ because I and 40% of the people who voted at the last general election agree his party's manifesto if implemented will change things for the better,again YVMV

And my main point .... it does not seem to matter who is in power we all seem to do ok .... in real terms ...

With that kind of outlook theres no point in having elections,and IMHO is a narrow minded attitude from some one who's doing well and judges everyones standard of life by their own or by the attitude of "don't complain you could be Syrian refugee or be living in a slum in Delhi od Somalia,etc,etc"
That's is not the attitude or standard the UK should be setting for it's poor,elderly and under privileged,unforntunately it's how the Tories have set the course for the country.Again YVMV,mine won't

But he does have a point. You can choose to look at it as "glass half full" or "glass half empty", and focusing on the things that are not right, rather than the things that are, gives one a negative outlook on life. That's not to say that striving for something better is wrong, just that it is good to acknowledge all the good things we have at the same time.

[reohn2]

But he does have a point. You can choose to look at it as "glass half full" or "glass half empty", and focusing on the things that are not right, rather than the things that are, gives one a negative outlook on life. That's not to say that striving for something better is wrong, just that it is good to acknowledge all the good things we have at the same time.

That's just how the capitalist machine wants you to think, exactly like the imperialist machine did before it.
Don't complain things could be worse.
Whilst the rich sip champers on their multimillion £ yacht in the Med,like the Sic Phillip Green's of this world do on a regular basis whilst the people they robbed stand in queues or are still working coz they've no PENSION!!
Don't please give the half empty half full argument it won't wash.
I'll take the opportunity to remind once again that Theresa May's husband works as a multimillion £ hedgefund manager in the city,so please dont try to tell me these people have my interests at heart,they don't!
Look once again at the Grenfell tower block fire,it's these kind of people who allow £5000 cut in costs to allow such things to happen,and that's the tip of the iceberg.....

EDIT:- local news carried an article that a local council is finding the cuts to funding so deep they'll have to stop lollipop patrols because they can't afford them
That's along with a 30% cut in Police officers in GM police,Manchester bomb anyone?
And 1000 officers lost on Merseyside where gun crime is now rocketing and gangster drug dealers run riot in the city,according to their chief constable the force can't cope.

[pwa]

But he does have a point. You can choose to look at it as "glass half full" or "glass half empty", and focusing on the things that are not right, rather than the things that are, gives one a negative outlook on life. That's not to say that striving for something better is wrong, just that it is good to acknowledge all the good things we have at the same time.

That's just how the capitalist machine wants you to think, exactly like the imperialist machine did before it.
Don't complain things could be worse.
Whilst the rich sip champers on their multimillion £ yacht in the Med,like the Sic Phillip Green's of this world do on a regular basis whilst the people they robbed stand in queues or are still working coz they've no PENSION!!
Don't please give the half empty half full argument it won't wash.
I'll take the opportunity to remind once again that Theresa May's husband works as a multimillion £ hedgefund manager in the city,so please dont try to tell me these people have my interests at heart,they don't!
Look once again at the Grenfell tower block fire,it's these kind of people who allow £5000 cut in costs to allow such things to happen,and that's the tip of the iceberg.....

EDIT:- local news carried an article that a local council is finding the cuts to funding so deep they'll have to stop lollipop patrols because they can't afford them
That's along with a 30% cut in Police officers in GM police,Manchester bomb anyone?
And 1000 officers lost on Merseyside where gun crime is now rocketing and gangster drug dealers run riot in the city,according to their chief constable the force can't cope.

I'm not suggesting that you become a non-complaining mug (as if!). I'm just saying that, if only for your own wellbeing, it is a good idea to take stock of all the good things in your life and appreciate them. Being "glass half full" does not mean giving up on improvements you would like to see. It just means being able to feel good about what is going right while you carry on striving for what you believe in. Do you have enough food to put on the table tonight? Yes? So why not be happy about that? You are not betraying anyone by being happy about small things that go right. I think I am like that with the NHS, just to take one example. My personal experience, taking relatives to be treated, is of long queues with excellent, caring staff at the end. I feel good about the overall experience but wish the NHS had more staff so that the people working in the NHS had more time for each patient. A positive tempered by a negative. Balanced. You don't have to change any of your political views, you just have to allow yourself time to enjoy the good things as you find them.

[reohn2]

I'm not suggesting that you become a non-complaining mug (as if!). I'm just saying that, if only for your own wellbeing, it is a good idea to take stock of all the good things in your life and appreciate them. Being "glass half full" does not mean giving up on improvements you would like to see. It just means being able to feel good about what is going right while you carry on striving for what you believe in. Do you have enough food to put on the table tonight? Yes? So why not be happy about that? You are not betraying anyone by being happy about small things that go right. I think I am like that with the NHS, just to take one example. My personal experience, taking relatives to be treated, is of long queues with excellent, caring staff at the end. I feel good about the overall experience but wish the NHS had more staff so that the people working in the NHS had more time for each patient. A positive tempered by a negative. Balanced. You don't have to change any of your political views, you just have to allow yourself time to enjoy the good things as you find them.

And who's to say I'm not happy and pleased with my lot,FWIW I'm quite happy thank you very much.
Frankly the two things I dislike most are liars and bullies,the Tories have them in abundance and its why I detest them so much,they within their party aren't in anyway democratic as well as being funded by creeps who run the UK press and the multinationals who pull their strings for their own gain at the expense of the majority and people at the bottom of the pile.
Regarding the NHS Mrs R2 and myself have had more than our fair share of their services in the past 10 years,far more than you'll ever know and won't go into in public,save to say we've been in some very dark places,we are very greatful for the excellent and professional service received whilst being cared for by them.
I tend to talk to staff whenever I come in contact with them at whatever level given the chance,they're not happy in the way it's being run and it's not just because of wages.
They feel the work pressures are increasing continally and that there's only so much squeezing they can stand,the lie that the Tories are spending more on the NHS when real terms they're not and increasingly it's becoming more and more privatised which is becoming more apparent with each passing year.
It's the people at sharp end of it that I feel for and I'm angry for, the people who have no political clout because they care too much for the patients in their care to take industrial action on behalf of.
The same goes for the ones on zero hours contracts and without union backing who,despite legislation are being walked over by unscrupulous bosses one of which,a knight of the realm, I mentioned above.
I could rabbit on all day about it but it seems if you mention such things in the company of Tory right wing thinking people,they tend come up with same story of "you've never had it so good" and that things could be worse pointing out I could easily be a Syrian refugee as if that's the standard to be measured by.Or I'm running the country down,well I'm not its the Tories who are doing that for us.Or that I'm a grumbling old phart who doesn't know when he's well off,well I do!
But I have eight grandchildren who's ages range from 26 to 2years old an two great grandsons aged 2 and 1years old and its their future I care about mine's sorted within reason,but I dont trust a Tory government one bit with there's.
I have as much right to discuss and complain on this thread as the next person as much as you have to try and prove me wrong,but one thing I won't take is people,telling me to stop complaining about the shambles this Tory government has led the country into and are set to make matters worse in their latest venture with the DUP ,they're a party who would sign a pact with the devil himself if it meant holding onto power .
And I won't stand being told it's a cycling forum on a political thread about the Labour party leader,because the poster doesn't like what I've posted because it's too much like the truth.
I'll also make no apologies for being a socialist either thank you very much.

[pwa]

I'm not suggesting that you become a non-complaining mug (as if!). I'm just saying that, if only for your own wellbeing, it is a good idea to take stock of all the good things in your life and appreciate them. Being "glass half full" does not mean giving up on improvements you would like to see. It just means being able to feel good about what is going right while you carry on striving for what you believe in. Do you have enough food to put on the table tonight? Yes? So why not be happy about that? You are not betraying anyone by being happy about small things that go right. I think I am like that with the NHS, just to take one example. My personal experience, taking relatives to be treated, is of long queues with excellent, caring staff at the end. I feel good about the overall experience but wish the NHS had more staff so that the people working in the NHS had more time for each patient. A positive tempered by a negative. Balanced. You don't have to change any of your political views, you just have to allow yourself time to enjoy the good things as you find them.

And who's to say I'm not happy and pleased with my lot,FWIW I'm quite happy thank you very much.
Frankly the two things I dislike most are liars and bullies,the Tories have them in abundance and its why I detest them so much,they within their party aren't in anyway democratic as well as being funded by creeps who run the UK press and the multinationals who pull their strings for their own gain at the expense of the majority and people at the bottom of the pile.
Regarding the NHS Mrs R2 and myself have had more than our fair share of their services in the past 10 years,far more than you'll ever know and won't go into in public,save to say we've been in some very dark places,we are very greatful for the excellent and professional service received whilst being cared for by them.
I tend to talk to staff whenever I come in contact with them at whatever level given the chance,they're not happy in the way it's being run and it's not just because of wages.
They feel the work pressures are increasing continally and that there's only so much squeezing they can stand,the lie that the Tories are spending more on the NHS when real terms they're not and increasingly it's becoming more and more privatised which is becoming more apparent with each passing year.
It's the people at sharp end of it that I feel for and I'm angry for, the people who have no political clout because they care too much for the patients in their care to take industrial action on behalf of.
The same goes for the ones on zero hours contracts and without union backing who,despite legislation are being walked over by unscrupulous bosses one of which,a knight of the realm, I mentioned above.
I could rabbit on all day about it but it seems if you mention such things in the company of Tory right wing thinking people,they tend come up with same story of "you've never had it so good" and that things could be worse pointing out I could easily be a Syrian refugee as if that's the standard to be measured by.Or I'm running the country down,well I'm not its the Tories who are doing that for us.Or that I'm a grumbling old phart who doesn't know when he's well off,well I do!
But I have eight grandchildren who's ages range from 26 to 2years old an two great grandsons aged 2 and 1years old and its their future I care about mine's sorted within reason,but I dont trust a Tory government one bit with there's.
I have as much right to discuss and complain on this thread as the next person as much as you have to try and prove me wrong,but one thing I won't take is people,telling me to stop complaining about the shambles this Tory government has led the country into and are set to make matters worse in their latest venture with the DUP ,they're a party who would sign a pact with the devil himself if it meant holding onto power .
And I won't stand being told it's a cycling forum on a political thread about the Labour party leader,because the poster doesn't like what I've posted because it's too much like the truth.
I'll also make no apologies for being a socialist either thank you very much.

I hope your health, and that of your "better half" is in a relatively good place at the moment, and I doubt anyone expects you to apologise for being a socialist. We do live in a country where a lot of things could be better, and pushing for that is nothing to apologise for. But we also live in a country where a lot of things are pretty good, and we should enjoy that. The UK is not a bad place to live, it's just not as good as it could be. Again, the NHS is a good example. Along with Social Care, it is being run too lean, resulting in frazzled staff and a reluctance of new people to enter the sector. But when my family have needed health care it has been there for them without any question of fees. You point out the problems it faces, quite rightly, but you should also celebrate the notion of a health service free at the point of treatment, a notion that is not seriously challenged even by Tories. If my local Tory MP said that health care should not be free at the point of need he would be disowned by his local Conservative Party and deselected before the next election. We can argue about how that service should be provided, but there is no major party arguing that the service should not be there at all. That consensus, absent in some developed countries, is something to celebrate.

[reohn2]

pwa
I celebrate the NHS with every step I take,and I recognise how well off and good the country is where I live, I recognise that.
I also recognise how the Tories in the form of Thatcher,Blair and the present bunch of comics have in the past and presently are seeking to asset strip our nation for means to their own ends,namely rampant capitalism and consumerism.
They seek to fill the richmans pockets whilst keeping the rest just teetering on the edge with the carrot juussttt out of reach,ever promising jam tomorrow with no plan to deliver.
That is my belief.

We in the UK work the longest hours in Europe yet are constantly told how we must endure more austerity meanwhile the rich become richer and are helped along in their richness by more tax cuts!

We're the 5th or 6th richest country in the world yet we can't afford to repair or improve our infrastructure or have truly joined up reliable clean affordable public transport,or find the money for quality bike infrastructure,whilst our roads are clogged up to burgeoning most of the day,as people's commutes become longer and longer,as our towns and cities are polluted so badly they regularly break the pollution levels we've set for ourselves for the year within the first 3 months.
Yet private cars get bigger and more thirsty and are not discouraged in any meaningful way
Wake up,this cannot carry on.

And whilst that is happening subsidises are cut to develope green energy alternatives,yet the same government pushes through fracking against the will of local councils and the people who voted them in.
The list goes on how wrong the path is the country is being led by rampant capitalism.

I'm simply not buying what Tories are selling!

[landsurfer]

I'm a" glass half full" sort of person ..... always have been ....

[reohn2]

I'm a" glass half full" sort of person ..... always have been ....

You'll need to be with this bunch of jokers,and better make it something strong to soft the impact of what'll happen in the next few months.........

The Tories were hoping for a Thatcher only to find the roof May have fallen in

[reohn2]

Just looking back over the thread and came across this the second post,there's a couple of others in a similar vain(no the spelling is correct)

I would hopefully be pragmatic, recognise my shortcomings and resign.

Al

Hmmm

[landsurfer]

You'll need to be with this bunch of jokers,and better make it something strong to soft the impact of what'll happen in the next few months.........
:

But thats the point ..... Nothing is going to happen !!!
May goes, Corbyn arrives, Arlene Foster forms a government of national unity, Gerry Adams swears alliance to the Queen, martians land ...... It won't make a blind bit of difference to 99.99999% of the population.
The NHS will creak on as usual, Gp's will moan about their workload and pocket their £100k / annum salaries, the fire service will behave bravely. etc etc

[reohn2]

You'll need to be with this bunch of jokers,and better make it something strong to soft the impact of what'll happen in the next few months.........
:

But thats the point ..... Nothing is going to happen !!!
May goes, Corbyn arrives, Arlene Foster forms a government of national unity, Gerry Adams swears alliance to the Queen, martians land ...... It won't make a blind bit of difference to 99.99999% of the population.
The NHS will creak on as usual, Gp's will moan about their workload and pocket their £100k / annum salaries, the fire service will behave bravely. etc etc

That's a bit more than optimism

[landsurfer]

That's a bit more than optimism

It's reality, how ever hard it is to accept, its reality.

How many people remember the lady hanging out the washing, singing, in "1984" ?

For ordinary people life just goes on despite what happens in "London Village".

[reohn2]

[pete75]

Just looking back over the thread and came across this the second post,there's a couple of others in a similar vain(no the spelling is correct)

I would hopefully be pragmatic, recognise my shortcomings and resign.

Al

Hmmm

You sure that wasn't a mistake and he really meant it for the Theresa May thread