Brexit consequences

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby cycleruk » 7 Jul 2016, 5:30pm

You'll never know if you don't try it.

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby mercalia » 7 Jul 2016, 10:16pm




there wont be any nexits for year until they see what happens to the UK? So the EU has a year maybe to start reforming?

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby Psamathe » 8 Jul 2016, 1:47pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-uk-trade-deals-negotiations-norway-prime-minister-erna-solberg-a7126551.html wrote:No trade deals with UK until Brexit is complete, says Norway's Prime Minister

Erna Solberg says Norway will not collaborate economically with UK until Brussels deal finalised

Norway will refuse to negotiate any separate trade deals with the UK until the British government agrees the terms of how it will withdraw from the European Union, the country’s prime minister has said.


I suppose the Brexit supporters will dismiss this as "being negative". Maybe we need to start doing something (anything) to protect the country against the impacts. If only we had a Prime Minister or a government or even some politicians that were more interested in what they have done to the UK than in their own career prospects.

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Re: Brexit consequences

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby pete75 » 8 Jul 2016, 10:16pm

And now Brexiters have their own TV programme.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19fcN3VaXs4

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby Psamathe » 8 Jul 2016, 10:17pm

Farage told Mirror in May: “52-48 referendum would be unfinished business - If Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

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Re: Brexit consequences

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby blackbike » 9 Jul 2016, 12:57pm

Psamathe wrote:Some interesting points
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from https://twitter.com/Bubblejet/status/749041064414220292

Ian


Bad losers from the Remain side should refrain from telling us that the referendum resulted can be disregarded.

It was this arrogant and dismissive approach to the opinions of others which was a major factor in their defeat.

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby bovlomov » 9 Jul 2016, 1:08pm

blackbike wrote:It was this arrogant and dismissive approach to the opinions of others which was a major factor in their defeat.

I can see that, but the story is complicated by the evident bad faith of many of the Brexit leaders. I, for one, can respect an individual choice to vote leave. If, however, that opinion is formed from falsehoods that no one in the Brexit camp still stands by, then what shall I think?

It seems likely that much of what leavers thought they were voting for will be disregarded in any case - and with the support of many of the Brexit leaders.

The referendum proposed a binary choice when the outcome would be anything but. As a 'winner' what did you think you were voting for?

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby blackbike » 9 Jul 2016, 1:28pm

bovlomov wrote:
blackbike wrote:It was this arrogant and dismissive approach to the opinions of others which was a major factor in their defeat.

I can see that, but the story is complicated by the evident bad faith of many of the Brexit leaders. I, for one, can respect an individual choice to vote leave. If, however, that opinion is formed from falsehoods that no one in the Brexit camp still stands by, then what shall I think?

It seems likely that much of what leavers thought they were voting for will be disregarded in any case - and with the support of many of the Brexit leaders.

The referendum proposed a binary choice when the outcome would be anything but. As a 'winner' what did you think you were voting for?



I voted Leave.

As in any poll I was quite aware that both sides were spouting half-truths, quarter-truths and 'facts' of even less substance.

Voters are adults, and know that this goes on.

It is time the bad losers on the Remain side realised this, and stopped the dismissal of Leave voters as racist and especially ignorant and gullible.

If the Remain losers continue to portray themselves as cleverer than the rest of us and more capable of judging the veracity of the claims of politicians, then all they will do is highlight their arrogance and the contempt they have for most of the electorate.

They employed this tactic during the referendum campaign, and a fat lot of good it did them.

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby Psamathe » 9 Jul 2016, 1:40pm

blackbike wrote:


Bad losers from the Remain side should refrain from telling us that the referendum resulted can be disregarded.

It was this arrogant and dismissive approach to the opinions of others which was a major factor in their defeat.

So when Farage said: “52-48 referendum would be unfinished business - If Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.” He was expecting if it went slightly against him w'd keep arguing but if it went slightly in his favour everybody else should just shut-up because he's won (won through lies and deceit but won).

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby bovlomov » 9 Jul 2016, 1:44pm

blackbike wrote:It is time the bad losers on the Remain side realised this, and stopped the dismissal of Leave voters as racist and especially ignorant and gullible.

They must have been ignorant. They had no idea what the consequences would be. The Brexit leaders lied and lied. Boris Johnson freely admitted that he made up anti-EU stories while working at the Telegraph. He simply continued that during the campaign - even though it was often at odds with what he had said elsewhere. Gove and IDS are famous for their dishonesty. They drove around in a bus decorated with a lie. The only defence against the charge of gullibility would be if leave voters took no notice of the Brexit campaign.

There was deceit on both sides, but I think it is absurd to say that the scale of it was comparable.

You voted Leave, but you have no idea what it means in practice. Or, if you do, you know more than anyone else.

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby PH » 9 Jul 2016, 1:46pm

blackbike wrote:If the Remain losers continue to portray themselves as cleverer than the rest of us and more capable of judging the veracity of the claims of politicians, then all they will do is highlight their arrogance and the contempt they have for most of the electorate.

The problems arise when a proportion of one side think they can take the entire other side and treat it a a whole. I voted remain and don't consider that makes me any cleverer than anyone. I think I did a fair job of distinguishing the propaganda from the facts coming from both sides, which I think makes me less gullible than those who now say they couldn't.
I don't know which is worse, the whining losers or the smug winners, but I doubt there's be any less of either had the vote gone the other way. Don't forget some of the winners were whining about losing before they won!

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby blackbike » 9 Jul 2016, 3:56pm

The bad loser Remain tactic of describing Leave voters as racist, stupid and gullible strikes me as an unintelligent approach, revealing the naivety and poor social skills of those who employ it.

As a way of venting anger and frustration I can see how it might help some disappointed Remainers, but as a method of getting the electorate to reconsider its decision it is not a sensible way forward.

In a democracy a self-proclaimed clever minority telling the majority it is stupid and votes unwisely is very unlikely to result in the minority getting its way.

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Re: Brexit consequences

Postby yakdiver » 9 Jul 2016, 3:58pm

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