How has Brexit vote affected UK economy? July verdict
The Guardians take. in Graphs - quite interesting. not sure what the overall comment should be - to be expected but not too bad?
"About the forecasts The dashboard analyses how key parts of the economy have performed since April, during the run-up to the referendum, and compares key monthly economic indicators with how they were expected to come in, based on the consensus forecasts in polling of economists by news service Reuters."
Hmm I see the same excuses going on as I do in the paper comments sections I enjoy so much contributing to. so probably better not to go too deeply as I'm catching up on the thread.
But the people voted to leave despite a terrible campaign by leave and a worse campaign by remain it was as bad as the US election, the people voted for the least worst option. Trump has terrible approval ratings but he still polls higher than Clinton and would still win. Like the US election the referendum was split between london and the rest. if it had been held on a constituency basis the result would have been beyond doubt with only 150 remain MPs in westminster - parliaments apparent lack of understanding over this I find shocking especially after the election.
Remain just threw lie after lie after lie at us, my street I thought would vote status quo but once project fear and lies started they switched en masse to leave because 3 million extra unemployed, total house price collapse, currency collapse, plague of frogs, death of first born children and the asteroid impact was still a better proposition than remaining in the EU. as reported HM the Queen (gawd bless her) asked remain for three good reasons to stay and didn't get a single reply - from the people at the heart of the project. the campaign was fact poor and negativity high relying on ridicule and pantomine. there was no patriotism there because their message was not patriotic. calling leavers racist xenophobic thickos did not help matters and that whole campaign put the final nail in IMO. Remain had nothing positive to say about staying, no plan to reform although everyone admitted it did need reform we had already failed twice and Blair coughed up an endless 4 billion a year to do so when he offered to pay for CAP reform so that's 48bn wasted and counting. The EU was designed to prevent reform, the days of thatchers NO NO NO was written out of it which is why countries had so many repeat votes and rewrites to get lisbon passed, everyone voted against it so the answer - drop the votes. we were promised a say and never got ours - as usual.
Migration was a problem back when my missus was at the IND their figures in 1999 was 1-1.5 million illegals in country and Blair refused to enforce repatriation for failed asylum seekers on top of that. Now it is estimated between 5-7 million (with 3 million in london alone). the loss of the main economy by the grey economy is many billions in lost tax revenues and a vast criminal underclass running amok. As a tax inspector she investigated it and it is horrendous. As a contractor I saw it at the coal face and the people who suffer because of it are the public. We are closer to 80m in the UK not the claimed 67m - there's your housing crisis, transport crisis, education, police and social issues right there.
Leave did not say what would happen because you cannot predict that, as it is like the weather with too many of the variables ruining the global warming debate, but the clear consensus amongst leave voters over politicians was 'out on the friday' as promised by cameron. the public wanted to get out and get the shock over with because we knew there would be a shock but we have 12 million migrants here now and between 5-7 million estimated under documented. losing 3 million jobs was worth it if we lost 8 million migrants and repatriated many more illegals in the process. what is interesting is the EU does not want its own people back nor do they want to go back, they like it here in our overcrowded land. The main thing though as seen with all the negative press from the BBC Guardian Independant etc.. is that Leave remain positive remain negative. even when 85% of the public voted for parties with leave in the manifesto they are in denial and trying to ruin it. it seems elements in the capital would rather see the UK fail and say I told you so than contribute to making a success of it. with 400,000 french citizens alone and it's own french MP london is very continentally orientated but that is not dependent upon EU membership, it was always where the migrants and refugees went first.
The problem is that the EU like AGW has become a theocratic cause, they don't teach jesus in school anymore but they do teach CO2 bad EU good. There needs to be proper education that europe is not the EU and the EU is not europe. I love europe, I expected to have to die for it but the EU is past its usefullness and was so before it was even created. the EEC was dying and toxic they knew it so relaunched it and continuously demand more and more using a globalist expand or die business plan. The EU wants to become a federalised collection of member states the only way they can get it is by a debt union similar to the act of union with scotland or war. So it is interesting that they want direct tax raising powers, an army, intelligence services and more and more debt piling on the med states as a second front.
The UK is going, period. The mistake will be if we do not walk way from everything as per Maastricht then apply for the bits we want access to as we risk shackling ourselves to a financial corpse with endless demands for money. Remain know this but they also know that if anyone tried to get us back in under the expected demands they will fail. The Lib dems still fail to grasp why they did so well when they promised a referendum in 2010 then got slaughtered when they failed to deliver it in coalition and dropped it from the manifesto in 2015 where ukip for 4.5 million votes. Labour got its UKIP votes back by leaving the EU out of their campaign and the new labour moaners kept very quiet, when the Tories had geared up for a noisy brexit one.
I still think no deal is a better option, it will hurt the EU far more than us because it is a massive loss of face if nothing else, but over half of europe wants the EU taking down and as usual the UK sacrifices itself to rescue europe from follies of its own making. the EU's time is over, it's no use joining the efta because Norway and Switzerland want to scrap their deals as it is. Churchill was correct, europe needed to work closer together but the UK should have stayed on the outside - waiting like a policeman.
Mind you the way Corbyn and co are playing the socialist playbook to the gullible I expect a Westminster fire and a night of broken windows is on the cards.
crazydave789 wrote:...... I still think no deal is a better option, it will hurt the EU far more than us because it is a massive loss of face if nothing else, but over half of europe wants the EU taking down and as usual the UK sacrifices itself to rescue europe from follies of its own making.....
Unfortunately not. If the UK walks away without a deal UK will lose big time, not only in the 40% of our exports going to the EU but in trying to negotiate other trade deals elsewhere where our "walk-away" will mean other countries seek a better deal in case we do the same to them should they incur Farangy's displeasure.
And since our referendum, the rest of Europe has pulled-together and become more pro the EU project. Did you notice what happened recently in France ? (where the Euro-sceptic failed to perform in the elections).
I hardly ever look at this tedious thread - but gave it a click just for the hell of it!
Hmm I see the same excuses going on as I do in the paper comments sections I enjoy so much contributing to. so probably better not to go too deeply as I'm catching up on the thread.
Seems we're still getting the usual crop of know-it-alls who think they are better informed than us - er - 'imbeciles'. And this from an individual who only joined this forum three days ago. Perhaps he would be better occupied sticking to questions about camping!
For someone who reassures us that he'd "better not go too deeply" he's written an immense amount of stuff - the few lines I looked at read a bit like a BNP manifesto. And yes I did spot the reference to CO2 (paradoxically, he's right in a sense: CO2 is essential to life on Earth - it's the increase in CO2 levels that's dangerous).
(*sigh*). Back to other topics I suppose. Does this thread serve any purpose? (I've probably asked this before).
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity. Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments... --- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
661-Pete wrote:I hardly ever look at this tedious thread - but gave it a click just for the hell of it!
Hmm I see the same excuses going on as I do in the paper comments sections I enjoy so much contributing to. so probably better not to go too deeply as I'm catching up on the thread.
Seems we're still getting the usual crop of know-it-alls who think they are better informed than us - er - 'imbeciles[b]'. And this from an individual who only joined this forum three days ago. Perhaps he would be better occupied sticking to questions about camping! [/b] For someone who reassures us that he'd "better not go too deeply" he's written an immense amount of stuff - the few lines I looked at read a bit like a BNP manifesto. And yes I did spot the reference to CO2 (paradoxically, he's right in a sense: CO2 is essential to life on Earth - it's the increase in CO2 levels that's dangerous).
(*sigh*). Back to other topics I suppose. Does this thread serve any purpose? (I've probably asked this before).
Err because he likes camping(?)and has only joined three days ago he shouldn't have an opinion,or perhaps he has to serve an apprenticeship first before he has one? I mean WT*, he's every right to an opinion and to voice it on the open forum he just joined, the fact that I don't agree with him is entirely beside the point but you're well out of order!
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Psamathe wrote:EU is actually becoming stronger as the UK becomes weaker and economic indicators are that that trend will continue for a bit. We are already suffering (look at inflation caused by Brexit) whilst the EU is prospering (we are already bottom of all the EU28 when it comes to growth! https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/08/uk-economy-falls-to-bottom-of-eu-growth-league
Five years ago the papers (and no doubt this forum) was full of news that we were in a double dip recession, the coalition government was soundly berated. A year later revised (and real) figures, as opposed to the projected figures, showed there had never been a double dip recession.
Personally I'd make newspapers use as many headlines and column inches stating why they were wrong and why there hadn't been a double dip recession as they had in gleefully spreading the wrong 'news' around.
Always be careful of economic forecasts... as they say two economists will give you three opinions...
Psamathe wrote:EU is actually becoming stronger as the UK becomes weaker and economic indicators are that that trend will continue for a bit. We are already suffering (look at inflation caused by Brexit) whilst the EU is prospering (we are already bottom of all the EU28 when it comes to growth! https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/08/uk-economy-falls-to-bottom-of-eu-growth-league
Five years ago the papers (and no doubt this forum) was full of news that we were in a double dip recession, the coalition government was soundly berated. A year later revised (and real) figures, as opposed to the projected figures, showed there had never been a double dip recession.
Personally I'd make newspapers use as many headlines and column inches stating why they were wrong and why there hadn't been a double dip recession as they had in gleefully spreading the wrong 'news' around.
Always be careful of economic forecasts... as they say two economists will give you three opinions...
The report linked is taking about actual data not future predictions. Of course there will be an error margin, but even with a reasonable error margin it still shows the UK economy and doing badly compared to the other EU27 (and that includes worse than Greece). The next lowest (above the UK) saw double the quarterly growth the UK saw.
Ben@Forest wrote:Five years ago the papers (and no doubt this forum) was full of news that we were in a double dip recession, the coalition government was soundly berated. A year later revised (and real) figures, as opposed to the projected figures, showed there had never been a double dip recession.
Five years ago, the forum was full of news about... cycling
“In some ways, it is easier to be a dissident, for then one is without responsibility.” ― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom
Vorpal wrote:Five years ago, the forum was full of news about... cycling
Not so sure about this - I've just looked through all the topics on Tea Shop in 2012 and they certainly aren't mainly about cycling and although politics wasn't as evident as it is now the thread with the second most number of replies in 2012 was simply called 'Thatcher' (and she didn't die until 2013).
What's also interesting is that it appears threads in 2017 have far more posts - lots of the threads in 2012 did not attract more than 4 or 5 replies and there are very few with the pages of responses that the current crop of topics have. Perhaps Tea Shop has more subjects worth discussing?
