** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby fixerupper » 15 Jun 2018, 12:01pm

"Its an age thing, you got all your wants and fantasises out of your system, realise you are not superman and settle down, but I would rather know whats coming than put my head in the sand."

Yeah you could be right , but I don't think I've got all my wants and fantasises quite yet ..It's just do I need to take steps to preserve what I have got , so that I can achieve them...and enjoy them ...Is my feeling of isolation from May's madness and Davis's dithering a illusion ...who knows ...

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mr bajokoses » 15 Jun 2018, 1:51pm

fixerupper wrote:No one seems able to say what the benefits are...


It becomes ever more obvious, that there are no benefits.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Debs » 15 Jun 2018, 3:18pm

mr bajokoses wrote:
fixerupper wrote:No one seems able to say what the benefits are...


It becomes ever more obvious, that there are no benefits.


The billionaires move into Tax Heaven UK, huge benefits for them, and their Tory puppets.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby RickH » 15 Jun 2018, 3:32pm

mr bajokoses wrote:
fixerupper wrote:No one seems able to say what the benefits are...


It becomes ever more obvious, that there are no benefits.

We were promised the "sunny uplands" (was that Boris?) but it looking more like they will be an arid wasteland (I've got Mont Ventoux above the tree line in my mind's eye here)!

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby brynpoeth » 15 Jun 2018, 3:41pm

reohn2 wrote:N.A.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say :?
I have three children,eight surviving grandchildren and three great grandchildren,the youngest of which is four weeks old and I really fear for their future outside of the EU.

+1 for children, they really should have been allowed to vote*
You could encourage them to learn languages so they can move abroad

I am sure the UK will muddle through, as fixerupper wrote: the change is from being half in the EU to being half out

I thought voting to leave was crazy, still think so but I expect not so much will change

* I tried to register. Not allowed, lived outwith the scented Isle too long :?
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby reohn2 » 15 Jun 2018, 3:45pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
The way the british are.
WE could teach them not to fall into the same pitfalls that we all have ......at school! Before they leave.

Then they would not have all those bad habits, first picked up from parents then the bods they meet at work / uni.

Then we would be different thinking and take more interest in public affairs before its all to late.

You make a lot assumptions about people and children you know nothing about :?

Maybe I am dreaming

More than likely :?

The day they leave school is the day they grow up and become their own person, your job is done?

No it isn't,your children even when they're adults are still your children.

When I say I have no kids its not because I don't like or ever wanted them, I am the one who complains daily about the way children are used by the media.

Contacted the BBC recently and suggested that their do not follow their usual "oh and the first team home.....blah...select school..blahh...grin...grin..."

OH they listened BUT....they even used MY Words too............................but alas they got the last word......"Its Not A Race" (me) but the first team home was............"favourite"..................and only other team named out of 400 teams was also a select school............................grammar.....................fee paying.........................

So the BBC are intent to only name first home and select schools...................

You can't win.

You've lost me :?
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby stu1102 » 15 Jun 2018, 3:46pm

Jonathan Portes Professor of Economics, King's College London;

"The implied hit to the public finances [from Brexit] is about £15 billion per year by
the early 2020s—about 10% of NHS budget (& almost double any possible saving from ending budget payments to the EU)"

IFS analysis for @UKandEU paper "Brexit & the NHS"

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads ... e-NHS-.pdf

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby reohn2 » 15 Jun 2018, 3:51pm

brynpoeth wrote:
reohn2 wrote:N.A.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say :?
I have three children,eight surviving grandchildren and three great grandchildren,the youngest of which is four weeks old and I really fear for their future outside of the EU.

+1 for children, they really should have been allowed to vote*
You could encourage them to learn languages so they can move abroad

I am sure the UK will muddle through, as fixerupper wrote: the change is from being half in the EU to being half out

I thought voting to leave was crazy, still think so but I expect not so much will change

* I tried to register. Not allowed, lived outwith the scented Isle too long :?


Which is becoming more like a septic isle for the ordinary working wo/man :evil:
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 15 Jun 2018, 11:31pm

RickH wrote:
mr bajokoses wrote:
fixerupper wrote:No one seems able to say what the benefits are...


It becomes ever more obvious, that there are no benefits.

We were promised the "sunny uplands" (was that Boris?) but it looking more like they will be an arid wasteland (I've got Mont Ventoux above the tree line in my mind's eye here)!


The same Boris who promised a bonfire of regulations when he became mayor of London. All that achieved was a bonfire of Grenfell Tower.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 15 Jun 2018, 11:32pm

reohn2 wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:
reohn2 wrote:N.A.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say :?
I have three children,eight surviving grandchildren and three great grandchildren,the youngest of which is four weeks old and I really fear for their future outside of the EU.

+1 for children, they really should have been allowed to vote*
You could encourage them to learn languages so they can move abroad

I am sure the UK will muddle through, as fixerupper wrote: the change is from being half in the EU to being half out

I thought voting to leave was crazy, still think so but I expect not so much will change

* I tried to register. Not allowed, lived outwith the scented Isle too long :?


Which is becoming more like a septic isle for the ordinary working wo/man :evil:


In more ways than one as they're so keen to emulate the USA.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby PDQ Mobile » 16 Jun 2018, 7:22am

pete75 wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:+1 for children, they really should have been allowed

* I tried to register. Not allowed, lived outwith the scented Isle too long :?


Which is becoming more like a septic isle for the ordinary working wo/man :evil:


In more ways than one as they're so keen to emulate the USA.


I think I am right in saying that the Norsemen used to call the British Isles the "Sheep Isles" :shock:

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby sjs » 16 Jun 2018, 8:00am

jezer wrote:Well said, my thoughts exactly.


Yep. Don't see how any sane person could disagree.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby stu1102 » 19 Jun 2018, 6:14pm

Its reassuring in that were 'taking back control' and as a result are leaving the following EU institutions:

Eurojust: Eurojust's primary focus are on crimes that represent an "especial threat" to citizens, such as terrorism, drug trafficking, trafficking in human beings, cybercrime, fraud, corruption, money laundering and other economic crime. http://eurojust.europa.eu/Pages/home.aspx


Europol is mandated by the European Union (EU) to assist EU Member States in the fight against international crime, such as illicit drugs, trafficking in human beings, intellectual property crime, cybercrime, euro counterfeiting and terrorism, by serving as a centre for law enforcement cooperation, expertise and criminal intelligence; https://www.europol.europa.eu/target-gr ... ral-public

European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is a mechanism by which individuals wanted in relation to significant crimes are extradited between EU member states to face prosecution or to serve a prison sentence for an existing conviction. In the UK extradition policy is owned by the Home Office.

Hard to see how leaving Europol, Eurojust, and the European Arrest Warrant can improve security in UK. Still, the will of the 37% must prevail

European Medicines Agency currently based in London moving to Amsterdam employees over 800 Doctors, Scientists, Researchers testing the efficacy and accreditation of all drugs including cancer drugs which are used all over the EU. http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/

Still to come Euratom: nuclear safety and research watchdog https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... u-40571853

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Flinders » 19 Jun 2018, 8:23pm

stu1102 wrote:Its reassuring in that were 'taking back control' and as a result are leaving the following EU institutions:

Eurojust: Eurojust's primary focus are on crimes that represent an "especial threat" to citizens, such as terrorism, drug trafficking, trafficking in human beings, cybercrime, fraud, corruption, money laundering and other economic crime. http://eurojust.europa.eu/Pages/home.aspx


Europol is mandated by the European Union (EU) to assist EU Member States in the fight against international crime, such as illicit drugs, trafficking in human beings, intellectual property crime, cybercrime, euro counterfeiting and terrorism, by serving as a centre for law enforcement cooperation, expertise and criminal intelligence; https://www.europol.europa.eu/target-gr ... ral-public

European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is a mechanism by which individuals wanted in relation to significant crimes are extradited between EU member states to face prosecution or to serve a prison sentence for an existing conviction. In the UK extradition policy is owned by the Home Office.

Hard to see how leaving Europol, Eurojust, and the European Arrest Warrant can improve security in UK. Still, the will of the 37% must prevail

European Medicines Agency currently based in London moving to Amsterdam employees over 800 Doctors, Scientists, Researchers testing the efficacy and accreditation of all drugs including cancer drugs which are used all over the EU. http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/

Still to come Euratom: nuclear safety and research watchdog https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... u-40571853

It's just dire- we're losing all this because the press spent the best part of 40 years lying about the EU and blaming it for all the UK governments' own shortcomings, and a couple of percentage points more people were suckered by that than weren't.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Flinders » 19 Jun 2018, 8:24pm

pete75 wrote:
RickH wrote:
mr bajokoses wrote:
It becomes ever more obvious, that there are no benefits.

We were promised the "sunny uplands" (was that Boris?) but it looking more like they will be an arid wasteland (I've got Mont Ventoux above the tree line in my mind's eye here)!


The same Boris who promised a bonfire of regulations when he became mayor of London. All that achieved was a bonfire of Grenfell Tower.

Yes- and he's the one that took a hatchet to the London fire service too.