** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Use this board for general non-cycling-related chat, or to introduce yourself to the forum.
User avatar
661-Pete
Posts: 6867
Joined: 22 Nov 2012, 8:45pm

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby 661-Pete » 23 Jun 2018, 5:10pm

crazydave789 wrote:....glad to see a lot of you are still remoaning as usual and not rolling over to accept the increasing will of the public to just get on with it......
There's always one isn't there! :evil:
Pete

Et qui rit des curés d'Oc?/De Meuse raines, houp! de cloques./De quelles loques ce turque coin./Et ne d'anes ni rennes,/Ecuries des curés d'Oc. - Louis d'Antin

Vorpal
Moderator
Posts: 14943
Joined: 19 Jan 2009, 3:34pm
Location: Not there ;)

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Vorpal » 23 Jun 2018, 11:23pm

crazydave789 wrote:something better than the EU which we never voted to join in the first place.

So perhaps, we should let the younger generations decide the matter. Those under 30? They're the ones who have to live with it.
“In some ways, it is easier to be a dissident, for then one is without responsibility.”
― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom

Ben@Forest
Posts: 1444
Joined: 28 Jan 2013, 5:58pm

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Ben@Forest » 24 Jun 2018, 8:53am

Vorpal wrote:So perhaps, we should let the younger generations decide the matter. Those under 30? They're the ones who have to live with it.


Really? Looking at current longevity patterns, my fitness and my family l could have another 45 years and I'll probably be working for 20 of those. Long time not to have a say.

Vorpal
Moderator
Posts: 14943
Joined: 19 Jan 2009, 3:34pm
Location: Not there ;)

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Vorpal » 24 Jun 2018, 6:53pm

Ben@Forest wrote:
Vorpal wrote:So perhaps, we should let the younger generations decide the matter. Those under 30? They're the ones who have to live with it.


Really? Looking at current longevity patterns, my fitness and my family l could have another 45 years and I'll probably be working for 20 of those. Long time not to have a say.

Yeah, me too. But I don't have any say at the moment, and it doesn't seem I had any a couple of years ago either. :(
“In some ways, it is easier to be a dissident, for then one is without responsibility.”
― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom

mercalia
Posts: 8455
Joined: 22 Sep 2013, 10:03pm
Location: london South

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mercalia » 24 Jun 2018, 7:00pm

Vorpal wrote:
crazydave789 wrote:something better than the EU which we never voted to join in the first place.

So perhaps, we should let the younger generations decide the matter. Those under 30? They're the ones who have to live with it.


and what do they know? :wink:

Ben@Forest
Posts: 1444
Joined: 28 Jan 2013, 5:58pm

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Ben@Forest » 24 Jun 2018, 7:31pm

Vorpal wrote:
Ben@Forest wrote:
Vorpal wrote:So perhaps, we should let the younger generations decide the matter. Those under 30? They're the ones who have to live with it.


Really? Looking at current longevity patterns, my fitness and my family l could have another 45 years and I'll probably be working for 20 of those. Long time not to have a say.

Yeah, me too. But I don't have any say at the moment, and it doesn't seem I had any a couple of years ago either. :(


I'll start to feel more sympathetic when US immigration starts to be more sympathetic. And I'm not talking about Trump. Both my sister and a good friend had problems with entry to work and live in the US respectively. This was prior to the WTC attacks in 2001 but their experiences can only be described as abominable.

Frankly America hasn't been 'welcoming' for decades, l don't think it would stand well in comparison with most European countries.

Vorpal
Moderator
Posts: 14943
Joined: 19 Jan 2009, 3:34pm
Location: Not there ;)

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Vorpal » 24 Jun 2018, 7:56pm

Ben@Forest wrote:I'll start to feel more sympathetic when US immigration starts to be more sympathetic. And I'm not talking about Trump. Both my sister and a good friend had problems with entry to work and live in the US respectively. This was prior to the WTC attacks in 2001 but their experiences can only be described as abominable.

Frankly America hasn't been 'welcoming' for decades, l don't think it would stand well in comparison with most European countries.

I don't know what the US has to do with it, but the immigration system has been broken there at least since the Reagan administration. The current fiasco is a bad, bad convergence of previous administrations not fixing a broken system, and Trump.
“In some ways, it is easier to be a dissident, for then one is without responsibility.”
― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom

stu1102
Posts: 80
Joined: 24 Jun 2013, 8:38pm
Location: Beeston, Nottignham

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby stu1102 » 26 Jun 2018, 8:33am

lets remind ourselves how goods move inside the customs union [which is what we have now] and outside of the customs union

Image

'The car industry has warned Theresa May there is “no Brexit dividend” for the business, with 860,000 jobs being put at risk unless the government “rethinks” its red lines in negotiations.


In the starkest warning yet from a single business sector, the car lobby has told the government that it needs “as a minimum” to remain in the customs union and a deal that delivers “single market benefits”.
“There is no Brexit dividend for our industry,” Michael Hawes, chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, said.
It said Brexit uncertainty was thwarting investment and repeated calls for the UK to stay in the customs partnership until the government came up with a “credible plan B”.


The sector had grown for the eighth successive year with turnover at a record £82bn in 2017. However it said 2018 has showed a slowdown in output with investment earmarked for new models, equipments and facilities in the UK halving to around £347m.'

source;

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-industry

pete75
Posts: 9137
Joined: 24 Jul 2007, 2:37pm

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 26 Jun 2018, 9:47am

mercalia wrote:
Vorpal wrote:
crazydave789 wrote:something better than the EU which we never voted to join in the first place.

So perhaps, we should let the younger generations decide the matter. Those under 30? They're the ones who have to live with it.


and what do they know? :wink:

Probably more than folk who regard the Spectator as a reliable source of information.

stu1102
Posts: 80
Joined: 24 Jun 2013, 8:38pm
Location: Beeston, Nottignham

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby stu1102 » 26 Jun 2018, 3:55pm

deep joy...…….or maybe its fake news

Image

but not to worry lets turn to Eurotunnel how's the Brexit planning going

There is no space” for customs checks at Dover and Channel Tunnel “literally on the cliff edge” says Eurotunnel boss John Keefe - need to process inland...

'contingency planning for ports British Ports Association Richard Ballantyne: “How do you plan for something you don’t know what to plan for?”

all on track...

brynpoeth
Posts: 5379
Joined: 30 Nov 2013, 11:26am

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby brynpoeth » 27 Jun 2018, 6:35am

Bad for the motor industry?
Plus One!
Alternative facts welcome
......
Cycling? Of course, but it is far better on a Gillott

Bonefishblues
Posts: 4099
Joined: 7 Jul 2014, 9:45pm
Location: Near Bicester Oxon

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Bonefishblues » 27 Jun 2018, 7:42am

Apropos of a random but related intervention, I am 2/3 of the way through reading 'Adults in the Room' by Yanis Varoufakis, who you may remember was the academic who became Finance Minister of Greece, and who attempted to stop the cycle of loan-default imposed on Greece by the international institutions.

It makes sobering reading, and provides an inside view of the EU and others' behaviour when challenged. It is a worthwhile read.

merseymouth
Posts: 293
Joined: 23 Jan 2011, 11:16am

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby merseymouth » 27 Jun 2018, 8:42am

Hi all, One basic point first? The voters of GB have never had a vote to join the EU ! The original referendum was over remaining in the EEC, a very different body from the Junkers/Tusk bailywick.
The freedom of transfer of goods under the open market is quite a recent development, not very long ago it was a weird mix of practises.
Imagine having to dispatch lorries & buses in component form to European markets? Different countries had different rules, so yes, a vehicle would have to be crated & dispatched to Belgium in component form!
Some countries even demanded that things like tyres & tubes were not included, as the home market wanted that slice of cake.
So when firms like BMW talk about component sourcing it is all of their own making!
Protectionism will always be the result when folk talk of trade tariffs. Their will never be a truely open market, honesty goes out of the window as well! TTFN MM

reohn2
Posts: 30283
Joined: 26 Jun 2009, 8:21pm

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby reohn2 » 27 Jun 2018, 9:05am

Bonefishblues wrote:Apropos of a random but related intervention, I am 2/3 of the way through reading 'Adults in the Room' by Yanis Varoufakis, who you may remember was the academic who became Finance Minister of Greece, and who attempted to stop the cycle of loan-default imposed on Greece by the international institutions.

It makes sobering reading, and provides an inside view of the EU and others' behaviour when challenged. It is a worthwhile read.

I haven't read it but have heard Varoufakis speak on economics and the EU a number times both on tv and on Youtube.
He's pro-remain but reform from within and against the austerity plan this mad government insists is working when everyone knows isn't.
More voices and minds Iike his would be welcome in the current brainless government running the show.
-----------------------------------------------------------
I cycle therefore I am.

PDQ Mobile
Posts: 1438
Joined: 2 Aug 2015, 4:40pm

Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby PDQ Mobile » 27 Jun 2018, 12:18pm

reohn2 wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:Apropos of a random but related intervention, I am 2/3 of the way through reading 'Adults in the Room' by Yanis Varoufakis, who you may remember was the academic who became Finance Minister of Greece, and who attempted to stop the cycle of loan-default imposed on Greece by the international institutions.

It makes sobering reading, and provides an inside view of the EU and others' behaviour when challenged. It is a worthwhile read.

I haven't read it but have heard Varoufakis speak on economics and the EU a number times both on tv and on Youtube.
He's pro-remain but reform from within and against the austerity plan this mad government insists is working when everyone knows isn't.
More voices and minds Iike his would be welcome in the current brainless government running the show.


I agree about Varoufakis.
Reform from within.
No one ever said the EU in it's present form is perfect but better to stay at the table in Brussels and negotiate reform.

Gain allies through clear arguments put forward and be democratic.
More could be achieved for our Nation in that way IMHO.