** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

[Cunobelin]

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[Cunobelin]

The other question about the "People's Vote" about the conditions of the exit deal


What is the bet that we have reached the point of no return and even with a 98% majority in the "People's Vote" to reject the deal that the EU will simply state.... Tough,YOU have left...... Do you want to negotiate entry into the EU (On our terms)?

[Cyril Haearn]

The Grauniad just had an article about Grandads Army
It was funny back then, but we should move on now

- What's your name?
- Don't tell him, Pike!

[Psamathe]

The final outcome will be clear in a few decades
Until then all is speculation
...

If you jump off a cliff the outcome is speculation until you get to the bottom. Experts might predict the outcome but apparently “we’ve had enough of experts”. Common sense might suggest what will happen but we seem short on common sense in the UK.

And when you get to the bottom and the experts and common sense turn out to have been correct, your options are very very limited.

So does that make jumping off a cliff a good idea?

Ian

[RickH]

The final outcome will be clear in a few decades
Until then all is speculation
...

If you jump off a cliff the outcome is speculation until you get to the bottom. Experts might predict the outcome but apparently “we’ve had enough of experts”. Common sense might suggest what will happen but we seem short on common sense in the UK.

And when you get to the bottom and the experts and common sense turn out to have been correct, your options are very very limited.

So does that make jumping off a cliff a good idea?

Ian

Funny you should mention jumping off cliffs. A friend shared this poem on Facebook yesterday

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[reohn2]

The flight was amazing whilst it lasted
fact is in truth it felt quite fantastic,
T'was the landing I think which could've been kinder
If only someone would've warned us of the danger

[merseymouth]

Hello there, I see some folk are back at being rude? "The ordinary thoughtless wo/man on the street who voted for it"!
To disagree is one thing, to be offensive whilst doing so is another. The UK did not move from Europe (EEC), the truth is Europe (EU) moved from the UK! Hijacked by empire builders. If all of the nations involved complied with the so called rules then things would be very different, remember which countries signed up for the Euro, but were not telling the truth over their eligibility to join? TTFN MM

[reohn2]

Hello there, I see some folk are back at being rude? "The ordinary thoughtless wo/man on the street who voted for it"!
To disagree is one thing, to be offensive whilst doing so is another. The UK did not move from Europe (EEC), the truth is Europe (EU) moved from the UK! Hijacked by empire builders. If all of the nations involved complied with the so called rules then things would be very different, remember which countries signed up for the Euro, but were not telling the truth over their eligibility to join? TTFN MM

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

It's no use claiming the EU(which we,through our parliamentary demockracy agreed to)is in the wrong,we were(still are for the time being)part of it.

[Cyril Haearn]

Bleiben wir auf dem Boden der Spekulation
Let's stick to serious grounded speculation

Sabine Christiansen, German journalist (1991)

[Psamathe]

Hello there, I see some folk are back at being rude? "The ordinary thoughtless wo/man on the street who voted for it"!
To disagree is one thing, to be offensive whilst doing so is another. The UK did not move from Europe (EEC), the truth is Europe (EU) moved from the UK! Hijacked by empire builders. If all of the nations involved complied with the so called rules then things would be very different, remember which countries signed up for the Euro, but were not telling the truth over their eligibility to join? TTFN MM

What is the difference between what you call “Empire Builders” and working closer together under a common set of rules etc.

Ian

[merseymouth]

Hello again, I will aim a stone at a single point. The Euro Zone membership was supposed to only available to nations whose economic position made them compliant with the conditions of entry.
Several countries signed up, probably with their fingers crossed, because there was truth in their statement of their financial liquidity,
The result was a series of bailouts, very costly even for the UK which is not, nor has been a part of the Euro Zone. en
A full declaration of the true state of things within the EU will never appear, isn't that reason enough to say enough is enough?
MM

[Vorpal]

A full declaration of the true state of things within the UK will never appear, isn't that reason enough to say enough is enough?

[Cunobelin]

The final outcome will be clear in a few decades
Until then all is speculation
...

If you jump off a cliff the outcome is speculation until you get to the bottom. Experts might predict the outcome but apparently “we’ve had enough of experts”. Common sense might suggest what will happen but we seem short on common sense in the UK.

And when you get to the bottom and the experts and common sense turn out to have been correct, your options are very very limited.

So does that make jumping off a cliff a good idea?

Ian

The cliff analogy is quite good.

Trouble is that lots of people were told that we had a parachute and the landing would be really soft and not Hirt

The reality is that we have now jumped, have found out they lied about the parachute and the rocks at the bottom are looking increasingly hard and jagged

[Psamathe]

The final outcome will be clear in a few decades
Until then all is speculation
...

If you jump off a cliff the outcome is speculation until you get to the bottom. Experts might predict the outcome but apparently “we’ve had enough of experts”. Common sense might suggest what will happen but we seem short on common sense in the UK.

And when you get to the bottom and the experts and common sense turn out to have been correct, your options are very very limited.

So does that make jumping off a cliff a good idea?

Ian

The cliff analogy is quite good.

Trouble is that lots of people were told that we had a parachute and the landing would be really soft and not Hirt

The reality is that we have now jumped, have found out they lied about the parachute and the rocks at the bottom are looking increasingly hard and jagged

The cliff analogy actually came from the Leave and their cries of “Project Fear” in

Remain: "If you jump off the cliff, you'll die."
Leave: "They're threatening to kill us if we jump off the cliff."

Ian

[reohn2]

Hello again, I will aim a stone at a single point. The Euro Zone membership was supposed to only available to nations whose economic position made them compliant with the conditions of entry.
Several countries signed up, probably with their fingers crossed, because there was truth in their statement of their financial liquidity,
The result was a series of bailouts, very costly even for the UK which is not, nor has been a part of the Euro Zone. en
A full declaration of the true state of things within the EU will never appear, isn't that reason enough to say enough is enough?
MM

A couple of questions.
a)how do you think the UK will be better off outside the EU.
b)If so,how long will it take for that situation to become reality,ie;immediately.short term(say 2 to 3 years)or long term (10 years +)