** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

[Lance Dopestrong]

Will we be Hungry after Brexit?

Al

Not me matey, or thirsty, or short of fuel or cash. Im prepped, and if it all goes smoothly then the preps wont be needed, but wont be wasted in the long term.

[al_yrpal]

There have always been Hungry people in Britain and there always will be. Whilst many are the victim of adverse circumstances, others, even people who should be well off seem to be incapable of making sensible choices in managing their money.
Meanwhile others are working towards FIRE.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/96463/fire-mov ... n-your-30s

Al

[pete75]

Will we be Hungry after Brexit?

Al

Not me matey, or thirsty, or short of fuel or cash. Im prepped, and if it all goes smoothly then the preps wont be needed, but wont be wasted in the long term.

Yep but also lay in about 500 12 bore cartridges in case the underclass turn to violence , robbery, raping and looting. Hull Extreme BB a good bet. They'd drop a chav at 60 yards.

[reohn2]

There have always been Hungry people in Britain and there always will be....?..

Al

But we currently have a government that does as little as possible by it's policies to reduce that number to the absolute minimum.
Whilst at the same time allows ever more tax cuts for the fat cats and does little to to stop tax avoiders and avaiders,and tries to lay the blaim on those at the bottom of the pile

[reohn2]

Will we be Hungry after Brexit?

Al

Not me matey, or thirsty, or short of fuel or cash. Im prepped, and if it all goes smoothly then the preps wont be needed, but wont be wasted in the long term.

Itll be the short term that'll affect the long term.

[Lance Dopestrong]

Will we be Hungry after Brexit?

Al

Not me matey, or thirsty, or short of fuel or cash. Im prepped, and if it all goes smoothly then the preps wont be needed, but wont be wasted in the long term.

Yep but also lay in about 500 12 bore cartridges in case the underclass turn to violence , robbery, raping and looting. Hull Extreme BB a good bet. They'd drop a chav at 60 yards.

I do have a shotgun, but my licence doesn't allow quite that many cartridges...

[kwackers]

There have always been Hungry people in Britain and there always will be. Whilst many are the victim of adverse circumstances, others, even people who should be well off seem to be incapable of making sensible choices in managing their money.

That's no reason to make it worse though...

Meanwhile others are working towards FIRE.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/96463/fire-mov ... n-your-30s

I know a couple of folk who've done something a little similar.

The New York Times notes that Fire enthusiasts are “benefiting from a lengthy bull run in the stock market and, in some cases, the privilege of class, race, gender and background”.

It is “difficult to retire at 40 if you work a minimum-wage job, say, or have crushing student-loan debt”, says the newspaper.

Or in my experience; folk who've made a killing on their houses and moved out of London to somewhere cheaper.

[al_yrpal]

Londoners have got a lot to answer for… My son has just moved from the SE to near you to become mortgage free, so my daughter in law can reduce her job to a 2 day week, keep Llamas and at the same time help their kids with cash for their first homes. Our property market is ridiculous.

Looks like Brexit finally went tits up!

Al

[Lance Dopestrong]

I retired at 47, but paid for my own degree by doing an OU, rather than mortgage my soul to a student loan. I never chucked it up the wall on shiny German cars, or the latest unnecessary smartphone, so I was able to do so. Divorcing a wealthy lady helped a bit too

The property market, and the way so much of the economy is staked upon ever rising property values is absolutely barking.

[pete75]

There have always been Hungry people in Britain and there always will be. Whilst many are the victim of adverse circumstances, others, even people who should be well off seem to be incapable of making sensible choices in managing their money.

That's no reason to make it worse though...

Meanwhile others are working towards FIRE.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/96463/fire-mov ... n-your-30s

I know a couple of folk who've done something a little similar.

The New York Times notes that Fire enthusiasts are “benefiting from a lengthy bull run in the stock market and, in some cases, the privilege of class, race, gender and background”.

It is “difficult to retire at 40 if you work a minimum-wage job, say, or have crushing student-loan debt”, says the newspaper.

Or in my experience; folk who've made a killing on their houses and moved out of London to somewhere cheaper.

Or people in certain state sector jobs who can retire very early on a hefty taxpayer funded pensions. Nothing wrong with people having good pension schemes as part of their public sector employment but they shouldn't pay out until the person is at least 60 unless for ill health.

[Lance Dopestrong]

Ill health in my case, after being assaulted on duty protefting a school crossing patrol supervisor from a kicking, and having my elbow badly broken. I was only 3 years short of the full thirty, but wasn't going to pass a fitness test again with that so I went. I could have dragged it out in my role, but I joined after the Army so I wouldn't have to drive a desk, so that didn't appeal.

Conversely, I think the public should be forced to pack away 15% of their gross salaries into their pensions, same as I had to. They'll see it's not such a freebie then. If they could do it while working dreadful hours, being assaulted regularly, being ordered to work on their rest days, neimg ordered to return to or remain on duty with zero notice, having to ask permission to live where they want to, not being able to be politically active, having to declare certain persons with whom they asociate or even those with whom want to enter into a relationship with, then so much the better. Its a small compensation for 3 decades of the loss of freedoms and liberities that civilians take for granted.

Its a fair trade I reckon. If you want peopke to do these things then there has to be some incentive, and the salary alone isnt sufficient (pro rata, compared to each national economy, one of the lowest paid police services in the western world). But if you don't, then fine - ditch the pension, and restore the rights of hobbies in the areas I have cited, and more. Then see where you are when there's a major incident, or a big sporting event which can't be policed, or even something as mundane as a bad pile up 15 minutes before shift is due to end. You'll be up sheet creek without a means if propulsion. If you want these people to look after you when ypure in crisis, then there needs to be some kind of quid pro quo.

As it happens for new starters the pension goes to 40 years service or age 60, both the highest in the western world for the police. Starting salary is as low as £19,900, or c.£23,000 at its highest - they could earn more at Aldi for less, more regular hours, without the change of getting assaulted, stabbed or shot. They're now insisting new starters have a degree. That is so crap that many aren't sticking it, and the average Bobby now has 6 years of service, a terribly poor level of experience. I retired as a DS (although I had passed the Inspectors exam, never took the plunge), and we were having a terrible time retaining detectives - as soon as they were qualified they were being poached by the fraud teams of a major bank which had It's HQ in the same town as us. 50% more pay, regular hours, Monday to Friday, safe, warm, no bull.

Such retention problems and the lack of experience of the average coppert is impacting severely upon the ability of the police to staff specialist roles, because to do so effectively you have to be a competent copper first. The Met have tried to dodge this and trialled a direct entry scheme for detectives. All 43 candidates, every single one of them, on the first ever intake failed the fitness test... society is now getting the policing that they're paying for, and they're welcome to it. You want it on the cheap, then enjoy the cheap service.

[Cugel]

There have always been Hungry people in Britain and there always will be. Whilst many are the victim of adverse circumstances, others, even people who should be well off seem to be incapable of making sensible choices in managing their money.

That's no reason to make it worse though...

Meanwhile others are working towards FIRE.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/96463/fire-mov ... n-your-30s

I know a couple of folk who've done something a little similar.

The New York Times notes that Fire enthusiasts are “benefiting from a lengthy bull run in the stock market and, in some cases, the privilege of class, race, gender and background”.

It is “difficult to retire at 40 if you work a minimum-wage job, say, or have crushing student-loan debt”, says the newspaper.

Or in my experience; folk who've made a killing on their houses and moved out of London to somewhere cheaper.

Or people in certain state sector jobs who can retire very early on a hefty taxpayer funded pensions. Nothing wrong with people having good pension schemes as part of their public sector employment but they shouldn't pay out until the person is at least 60 unless for ill health.

If a government employee retires early, there's a penalty to any early pension payment which effectively reduces the monthly pension payment to retain the projected total amount that will be paid over the pensioners lifetime.

And, the last time I looked, the average age of survival for an ex-government employee post retirement was just over 4 years. The pensions paid are also very small for the vast majority of such ex-employees, since most are on very small salaries - although you're likely to read about the tiny number of the fat cat variety, in your Daily Frightener .....

..... which fat cats are, these days, often previous employees from the private sector, brought in on 3 year contracts because they are "professionals". Sir Humphrey is a dying, if not already dead, breed. In reality these ex-private sector "professionals" are anything but, like all fat cats. They are professional at obtaining large salaries, bonuses and pay-offs for themselves but useless at managing anything else. They do connive to get lucrative government contracts for their mates still in the private sector, mind. PFI lives on in many guises!

Of late, the pension schemes from government to their employees have been decimated, reduced and generally made very expensive to the employee for much less pension than in days of yore. Austerity, see?

Cugel

[PDQ Mobile]

If some of the content of the last couple of pages are what we are to expect from Brexit Britain then I, for one, prefer mainland Europe for all it's shortcomings.

Shotgun toting ex-army types defending their stockpiled food against the poor and weaker.
The problem with stockpiles is that they soon run out.
Get an allotment!

Or small time stock market speculators without a shed of compassion or self deprecating humour. Just humour at other's expense. We can't all be stock market tycoons. There must be winners and losers.
What we need is a fairer social structure.

So stuff the shotgun where the sun don't shine.
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The Europeans now seem positively sane by comparison.

Where are the easy trade deals so glibly promised by Farage and Co?
Come to that where is Farage, just when you'd like his opinion?!

I want to trade with Europe on a free trade basis- not tariffs and taxes.
I want freedom of movement- not restricted movement.
I want peaceful discussion and compromise- not rancour and "othering".
I want my grandchildren to grow up happy, in peace and some hope - with access to all that mainland Europe has to offer - it is a vast treasure house.
Money is less important than a decent quality of life for them.
Make no mistake, in spite of all propaganda to the contrary, the two are not mutually dependent.
Though after Brexit there will be a fair bit less money about for those who need it most.

Quite contrary to the promises of the Referendum.

[francovendee]

Ill health in my case, after being assaulted on duty protefting a school crossing patrol supervisor from a kicking, and having my elbow badly broken. I was only 3 years short of the full thirty, but wasn't going to pass a fitness test again with that so I went. I could have dragged it out in my role, but I joined after the Army so I wouldn't have to drive a desk, so that didn't appeal.

Conversely, I think the public should be forced to pack away 15% of their gross salaries into their pensions, same as I had to. They'll see it's not such a freebie then. If they could do it while working dreadful hours, being assaulted regularly, being ordered to work on their rest days, neimg ordered to return to or remain on duty with zero notice, having to ask permission to live where they want to, not being able to be politically active, having to declare certain persons with whom they asociate or even those with whom want to enter into a relationship with, then so much the better. Its a small compensation for 3 decades of the loss of freedoms and liberities that civilians take for granted.

Its a fair trade I reckon. If you want peopke to do these things then there has to be some incentive, and the salary alone isnt sufficient (pro rata, compared to each national economy, one of the lowest paid police services in the western world). But if you don't, then fine - ditch the pension, and restore the rights of hobbies in the areas I have cited, and more. Then see where you are when there's a major incident, or a big sporting event which can't be policed, or even something as mundane as a bad pile up 15 minutes before shift is due to end. You'll be up sheet creek without a means if propulsion. If you want these people to look after you when ypure in crisis, then there needs to be some kind of quid pro quo.

As it happens for new starters the pension goes to 40 years service or age 60, both the highest in the western world for the police. Starting salary is as low as £19,900, or c.£23,000 at its highest - they could earn more at Aldi for less, more regular hours, without the change of getting assaulted, stabbed or shot. They're now insisting new starters have a degree. That is so crap that many aren't sticking it, and the average Bobby now has 6 years of service, a terribly poor level of experience. I retired as a DS (although I had passed the Inspectors exam, never took the plunge), and we were having a terrible time retaining detectives - as soon as they were qualified they were being poached by the fraud teams of a major bank which had It's HQ in the same town as us. 50% more pay, regular hours, Monday to Friday, safe, warm, no bull.

Such retention problems and the lack of experience of the average coppert is impacting severely upon the ability of the police to staff specialist roles, because to do so effectively you have to be a competent copper first. The Met have tried to dodge this and trialled a direct entry scheme for detectives. All 43 candidates, every single one of them, on the first ever intake failed the fitness test... society is now getting the policing that they're paying for, and they're welcome to it. You want it on the cheap, then enjoy the cheap service.

When a lot of jobs were civilianised a good friend chose to retire from the police. His job 'disappeared' and he was faced with going back on the beat in his 50's.
A godson is retiring as he's now 50 and has enough years in the job. He's a custody Sgt. and likes the job but finds shift working harder and harder.
What can be expected of a 60 year old copper, not everyone will get promoted to an easier job?

[pete75]

Ill health in my case, after being assaulted on duty protefting a school crossing patrol supervisor from a kicking, and having my elbow badly broken. I was only 3 years short of the full thirty, but wasn't going to pass a fitness test again with that so I went. I could have dragged it out in my role, but I joined after the Army so I wouldn't have to drive a desk, so that didn't appeal.

Conversely, I think the public should be forced to pack away 15% of their gross salaries into their pensions, same as I had to. They'll see it's not such a freebie then. If they could do it while working dreadful hours, being assaulted regularly, being ordered to work on their rest days, neimg ordered to return to or remain on duty with zero notice, having to ask permission to live where they want to, not being able to be politically active, having to declare certain persons with whom they asociate or even those with whom want to enter into a relationship with, then so much the better. Its a small compensation for 3 decades of the loss of freedoms and liberities that civilians take for granted.

Its a fair trade I reckon. If you want peopke to do these things then there has to be some incentive, and the salary alone isnt sufficient (pro rata, compared to each national economy, one of the lowest paid police services in the western world). But if you don't, then fine - ditch the pension, and restore the rights of hobbies in the areas I have cited, and more. Then see where you are when there's a major incident, or a big sporting event which can't be policed, or even something as mundane as a bad pile up 15 minutes before shift is due to end. You'll be up sheet creek without a means if propulsion. If you want these people to look after you when ypure in crisis, then there needs to be some kind of quid pro quo.

As it happens for new starters the pension goes to 40 years service or age 60, both the highest in the western world for the police. Starting salary is as low as £19,900, or c.£23,000 at its highest - they could earn more at Aldi for less, more regular hours, without the change of getting assaulted, stabbed or shot. They're now insisting new starters have a degree. That is so crap that many aren't sticking it, and the average Bobby now has 6 years of service, a terribly poor level of experience. I retired as a DS (although I had passed the Inspectors exam, never took the plunge), and we were having a terrible time retaining detectives - as soon as they were qualified they were being poached by the fraud teams of a major bank which had It's HQ in the same town as us. 50% more pay, regular hours, Monday to Friday, safe, warm, no bull.

Such retention problems and the lack of experience of the average coppert is impacting severely upon the ability of the police to staff specialist roles, because to do so effectively you have to be a competent copper first. The Met have tried to dodge this and trialled a direct entry scheme for detectives. All 43 candidates, every single one of them, on the first ever intake failed the fitness test... society is now getting the policing that they're paying for, and they're welcome to it. You want it on the cheap, then enjoy the cheap service.

Who said anything about ditching the pensions? I said that unless it's a case of ill health they shouldn't be paid until a certain age is reached.

If you can find a way to give someone an index linked final salary pension for just 15% of gross pay I'm sure you'd get avery well paid job in the pensions industry.