** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

[Cunobelin]

Hi mjr, You should bear in mind the simple fact that the UK population played no part in the treachery that Major & That Bloody Woman committed!!!
Only the electorate of Finchley actually voted for the "Milk Snatcher".
Major was so good with figures he couldn't even pass the test to become a Bus Conductor! Not a C.V. that I would aspire to.
Modernist thinking has lumbered me with a work tool that does what the hell it wants, rather than what I ask it to do - this HP Lap-top.
The old saying - "If it ain't broke don't fix it!". The E.U. really could do with fixing. MM

How much more desperate can you get?


A broken HP Laptop as a justification for Brexit!

Still on a positive point it is far more valid and realistic than a lot of the Leave Campaign claims, justifications and lies

[merseymouth]

Hello, Bear in mind folk like me were born in the first half of the last century, so our childhood was spent being very aware what sort of mess our country was in, with rationing still in force. The first exotic thing we knew about was a banana.
So we had it far harder that the folk of what you would call the modern era. It might be more acceptable if things were said & done in a more moderate tone?
With regards to a united Europe I was always firmly in favour, but sadly the E.E.C. morphed into a Topsy like E.U., with very different aims.
Even in early years it was created to the whims & wishes of a small group.
The wasteful "Strasburg Shuffle" was put in place as a sop to De Gaulle, today it is even more unnecessary.
The E.U. has now become bloated & ill-suited to such a disparate group of countries.
So why can't the E.U. consider a root & branch review of it's aims & function?
If that as done properly many of us Old Farts would happily participate to the full!
Is that enough of an answer for you? IGICB (But not for much longer) MM

[bovlomov]

Hello, Bear in mind folk like me were born in the first half of the last century, so our childhood was spent being very aware what sort of mess our country was in, with rationing still in force. The first exotic thing we knew about was a banana.
So we had it far harder that the folk of what you would call the modern era.

It could be argued that you have lived through a golden age of peace and prosperity. Free healthcare, and well funded education, public libraries, weekly bin collections, smooth roads, easy and cheap travel, cheap food, ability to work and live within the EU, and so on.

Of course, some of that is dependent on your personal circumstances, but overall I suspect you've had more opportunities than young people starting out now will have.

[mr bajokoses]

Is that enough of an answer for you? IGICB (But not for much longer) MM

Frankly, no. It's nebulous, to use a recent term. It's dependent on somebody else understanding what you want and acting on it. The EU continually evolves. It's not going to declare itself in need of revolution.

Maybe you knew all this, which explains why you voted to leave. So, which price are you willing to pay for leaving: breaking the GFA, or splitting the United Kingdom? You know by now that one of these is the price of brexit.

[merseymouth]

Hi Bovlimov, Why don't you just come out and be blunt - You must think my generation are all parasites!
You assume that folk like me have had it far too good, but as in most areas of life you are working with very little information to work with.
Why begrudge us the right to live? I'm not running away from these shores, I believe in social justice, but not in Corbyn style Socialism.
Ignore history and you will pay a high price. MM

[pete75]

Debatable, The problem was that these convoys were vulnerable throughout the North Sea, Norwegian Sea. Barents Sea, as well and the North Atlantic.

Iceland would have been a possible base that allowed German access to all these areas

Given that the Germans had the whole west coast of Europe from Biarritz to the North Cape they'd hardly have used bases in Iceland to attack North Sea convoys when they had much shorter routes to do the same particularly as the majority of their bombers had relatively short ranges. They'd hardly be sending a long range FW Condor all the way from Iceland to sink ships off, for example, Aberdeen when they could do the same with less risk using a JU88 from Stavanger.
Why do you think anyone would fear Iceland bases as a greater threat to shipping in the North Sea rather than shipping in the North Atlantic. The reason it was occupied was because of teh danger to North Atlantic not North Sea shipping.

Strategically the Big Battleships operating from Iceland were less vulnerable to Allied attack than those operating from Norway

That was the key, an operational base for the Navy, but we will never know because the “Invasion” prevented the ships operating from Iceland

That is why ALL shipping in the North Sea, Barents Sea, Norwegian Sea (etc) was at risk.

If the Germans had got their big battleships awy to Iceland they certainly wouldn't have then let them venture into the narrow seas around Europe again, the places where they were at greatest risk.

Do you really think that if they'd got the Scharnhorst away to Iceland they'd then have risked sending into the North Sea to sink tramp steamers off the Tyne? Good grief the only time they took her through the channel and along the North Sea the trip had to be covered by over 200 fighter planes.

They were quite happy(if that's the word) to attack North Sea shipping from the air and with E-boats.

[bovlomov]

Hi Bovlimov, Why don't you just come out and be blunt - You must think my generation are all parasites!

That's a bit of a leap. I was just questioning your assumption that you had it harder than today's young. I think that is by no means certain - though obviously it's a difficult comparison to make.

[PDQ Mobile]

Ignore history and you will pay a high price. MM

Yet absolute truth in terms of history is a very slippery commodity.

So an (extreme) alternative view is ignore history and free yourself to a life in the reasonably happy present.

Down in Italy Spring is in the air!
Belladonnas are wearing flowers in their hair.

[Oldjohnw]

MM writes about the danger of ignoring history.

One thing the EU does is take considerable cognisance of history. There is a realisation that some forms of nationalism are dangerous; but promote the ideas that working together where our peoples, goods and ideas can work across borders; where there is a place to sit down together and exchange views and even make rules which we will all live by; where we have a judiciary above our national governments, which might not always be benign, and to whom we can turn when the state is set against us.

This way, peace has been maintained for the longest time in history.

[PDQ Mobile]

MM writes about the danger of ignoring history.

One thing the EU does is take considerable cognisance of history. There is a realisation that some forms of nationalism are dangerous, that working together where our peoples, goods and ideas can work across borders; where there is a place to sit down together and exchange views and even make rules which we will all live by; where we have a judiciary above our national governments, which might not always be benign, and to whom we can turn when the state is set against us.

This way, peace has been maintained for the longest time in history.

+1
In spite of my lighthearted effort above, I fully agree with this.

[mercalia]

And Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament's chief Brexit negotiator, referencing Mr Tusk's comments, later tweeted: "Well, I doubt Lucifer would welcome them, as after what they did to Britain, they would even manage to divide hell."

oh dear

we should send them all a piece of this -

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/06/sidmouth-fatberg-crews-begin-work-remove-mass-congealed-oil-grease-nasties-devon

to chew on as thats whats coming out of their mouths

[PDQ Mobile]

And Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament's chief Brexit negotiator, referencing Mr Tusk's comments, later tweeted: "Well, I doubt Lucifer would welcome them, as after what they did to Britain, they would even manage to divide hell."

oh dear

we should send them all a piece of this -

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/06/sidmouth-fatberg-crews-begin-work-remove-mass-congealed-oil-grease-nasties-devon

to chew on as thats whats coming out of their mouths

I have heard so many terrible things said about the EU from British politicians, for so long, that I find it quite refreshing to hear the, up to now, very restrained Europeans give them a little in return.
And suddenly our lot are surprised and (sham?) affronted.

[Cunobelin]

Only the electorate of Finchley actually voted for the "Milk Snatcher".

A valid point?

Lets apply that to Brexit?


... Only the Electorate of Little England voted for Brexit
... Only the older generation voted for Brexit


You keep raising pertinent arguments why we should question Brexit

[Cunobelin]

And Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament's chief Brexit negotiator, referencing Mr Tusk's comments, later tweeted: "Well, I doubt Lucifer would welcome them, as after what they did to Britain, they would even manage to divide hell."

oh dear

we should send them all a piece of this -

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/06/sidmouth-fatberg-crews-begin-work-remove-mass-congealed-oil-grease-nasties-devon

to chew on as thats whats coming out of their mouths

I have heard so many terrible things said about the EU from British politicians, for so long, that I find it quite refreshing to hear the, up to now, very restrained Europeans give them a little in return.
And suddenly our lot are surprised and (sham?) affronted.

I mean ... you wouldn't find British Politicians issuing personal insults would you?

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It is like a bunch of Primary School playground bullies bleating to Teacher because someone has given them a taste of their own medicine.

[Oldjohnw]

It didn't take long for Mr Tusk to be completely misquoted in the Commons. Peter Bone MP complained about Tusk saying that "there is a special place in hell for supporters of brexit".

He also complained about unelected European officials. Name me one elected UK official.