Mick F wrote: I reckon probably not, but it'll take a while.
I think it's *already* a total disaster for the country, both internally through division and externally through reputation.
Mick F wrote: I reckon probably not, but it'll take a while.
mjr wrote:mercalia wrote:I am not castigating the EU for pursuing their self interest just stop pretending they are really suporting the GFA and Eire. The foolish May thought it was about the GFA I suspect then when the EU shot down the possibility of using tech to solve the border problem, it became clear it wasnt the GFA agreement at all but the common market.
How could anyone not shoot down the idea of using tech to solve the border problem? The tech doesn't exist or look likely to exist soon enough!
Does this mean I also don't support the GFA in your opinion? As I think I do.
Oldjohnw wrote:A little light relief, but meaningful nevertheless:
mercalia wrote:mjr wrote:mercalia wrote:I am not castigating the EU for pursuing their self interest just stop pretending they are really suporting the GFA and Eire. The foolish May thought it was about the GFA I suspect then when the EU shot down the possibility of using tech to solve the border problem, it became clear it wasnt the GFA agreement at all but the common market.
How could anyone not shoot down the idea of using tech to solve the border problem? The tech doesn't exist or look likely to exist soon enough!
Does this mean I also don't support the GFA in your opinion? As I think I do.
well what I say is the only way I can make sense of Mays deal that involves a backstop that is clearly not in the spirit of the GFA ( in fact I mentioned previously that there might be legal challenges on that basis or even human rights law ) and clearly otherwises prejudges any trade talks in the EU's favour, crippling this countrys options
No it's not.roubaixtuesday wrote:Mick F wrote: I reckon probably not, but it'll take a while.
I think it's *already* a total disaster for the country, both internally through division and externally through reputation.
Mick F wrote:No it's not.roubaixtuesday wrote:Mick F wrote: I reckon probably not, but it'll take a while.
I think it's *already* a total disaster for the country, both internally through division and externally through reputation.
Not totally, and not already.
Mick F wrote:No it's not.roubaixtuesday wrote:Mick F wrote: I reckon probably not, but it'll take a while.
I think it's *already* a total disaster for the country, both internally through division and externally through reputation.
Not totally, and not already.
mercalia wrote:BBC -
On Monday, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said EU patience was running out
what an arrogant man you are Mr Juncker. You and the EU in pursuing your self interest and dogmas are the cause of the trouble viz the backstop, Take some responsibilty for it? Pretending to be on Eire's side supporting the GFA, but really just protecting your dogmas. You found a willing fool in Mrs May to serve your purposes but the rest of Parliament see through it. Hence the current problems. So dont get high and mighy with us!
mercalia wrote:mjr wrote:mercalia wrote:I am not castigating the EU for pursuing their self interest just stop pretending they are really suporting the GFA and Eire. The foolish May thought it was about the GFA I suspect then when the EU shot down the possibility of using tech to solve the border problem, it became clear it wasnt the GFA agreement at all but the common market.
How could anyone not shoot down the idea of using tech to solve the border problem? The tech doesn't exist or look likely to exist soon enough!
Does this mean I also don't support the GFA in your opinion? As I think I do.
well what I say is the only way I can make sense of Mays deal that involves a backstop that is clearly not in the spirit of the GFA ( in fact I mentioned previously that there might be legal challenges on that basis or even human rights law ) and clearly otherwises prejudges any trade talks in the EU's favour, crippling this countrys options
mjr wrote:Mick F wrote:No it's not.roubaixtuesday wrote:
I think it's *already* a total disaster for the country, both internally through division and externally through reputation.
Not totally, and not already.
Why not? Brexit's already estimated to be costing us over £500m a week. We could be giving that to the NHS instead.
661-Pete wrote:You could at least (a) do Mr Juncker the favour of spelling his name right, (b) not accuse him of pursuing 'self interest' but instead, of acting in the best interests of the EU as a whole - which is a lot of people!, (c) refer to Ireland as Ireland unless you are writing in Irish (when the name should be Éire).mercalia wrote:what an arrogant man you are Mr Junker. You and the EU in pursuing your self interest and dogmas are the cause of the trouble viz the backstop
As to the backstop, of course this is an artifact generated by the whole Brex**it process. No-one's going to like it much. The best possible backstop is, No Brex**it - and of course Juncker knows that!
mercalia wrote:broadway wrote:mercalia wrote:BBC -
On Monday, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said EU patience was running out
what an arrogant man you are Mr Junker. You and the EU in pursuing your self interest and dogmas are the cause of the trouble viz the backstop, Take some responsibilty for it? Pretending to be on Eire's side supporting the GFA, but really just protecting your dogmas. You found a willing fool in Mrs May to serve your purposes but the rest of Parliament see through it. Hence the current problems. So dont get high and mighy with us!
Hmmmm......
As opposed to the UK pursuing our self-interest?
Of course it would help if we knew what our self-interest was.
I am not castigating the EU for pursuing their self interest just stop pretending they are really suporting the GFA and Eire. The foolish May thought it was about the GFA I suspect then when the EU shot down the possibility of using tech to solve the border problem, it became clear it wasnt the GFA agreement at all but the common market.
Mick F wrote:I'm taking issue with the "totally" and the "already".
It's not totally, because we've not noticed anything different here or with anyone we know.
It can't be already, because it's nothing's happened.
Life goes on as before.
Nothing has changed.