Mick F wrote:It was suggested on here that I get my opinions from down the pub. I was explaining that other people have opinions and they aren't all at odds with mine. In fact, I don't know any remainers personally. Never met one or heard any. Only contact I have with remainers is on this forum.
Actually it was you yourself that stated that, "down the pub we are all leavers" or words to that effect.
So perhaps a little easing up on accusing others of accusing. (or you"ll get like "Natural" it's his 'raison d'etre'!)
It's interesting but not surprising that you only have contact with like minded folk.
I cannot say the same.
I know both some leavers and some remainers.
And I am curious and passionate enough to try to understand the leavers.
Broadly their reasons were at the time of the Referendum,
1.The money we paid to the EU;
it was in their view a straight forward paying out. The real figures and benefits were simply not recognized, understandably because it is a vastly complex area.
2.Immigration into the UK from all sources( they did not differentiate)
3.Too much bureaucracy;
the long destroyed myth (on here), that the EU dictated and created rules and regulations that were unnecessary and interfering.
(Quite unsubstantiated IMV, EU has been beneficial in so many areas)
4.A belief that we could easily trade on terms with other nations that would benefit us more than EU membership, a return to a colonial past of sorts.
Additionally few of those people had travelled much in Europe outside of a package tour to Benidorm or similar. They exclusively spoke no other language excepting Welsh in some cases.
So their experience of mainland Europe was either non existent or limited.
As I understand it a fair few of those leavers would now at least reconsider their vote or vote to remain.
Broadly this is because what they thought, (and in some cases really believed) at the time,would benefit the UK has now been shown to be at best dubious and at worst a genuine fabrication by wealthy vested interest groups.
I asked recently about an opinion from a casual but fairly well known acquaintance and he replied " for me it's still about all that money we pay".
The complexities of this require one to simply take a deep breath and move on, perhaps pointing out one or two infrastructure projects locally that were completed by EU funds. And the newly roofed and insulated houses all around in N Wales.
This acquaintance is from the Black Country and knows little of such local things.
I suspect his main reason is immigration. He is a nice guy but little travelled. Happy in what he loves- camping and old (British) machines. I like him well enough and he is not silly.
That his food will become more expensive he will argue that the pineapple farmers "still want to sell us pineapples"!!
True but they don't come tax free from the near Continent, I would reply.