reohn2 wrote:Mick F wrote:.......As for the rules of the EU, that is how it is now. That is how it is now with the rules as they are now.
Not eventually perhaps. Not the way it could be in the future. Who's to say?
The difference being that being a member state the UK would have influence on the direction the EU takes,not being a maember makes us extremely vulnerable to our nearest and biggest trading market.
If UK was about to lose its sovereignty to a United States of Europe we would have guess what?
A referendum!
But one would think the Uk will have learned something from the present **** up and would implement any referendum to at require at least a 60% majority for a change to be valid.A clear and concise system of laws surround any referendum and for any illegality in the referendum process to be punishable by a mandatory ten year prison sentence for all parties involved.
The longer the brexit ****show goes on the harder it is to find any legitimacy in the 2016 referendum. The lies. The contradictory idea that brexit is turning out much more complex than many people thought, yet everyone knew exactly what they were voting for. The dodgy funding. The absence of checks and balances. The advisory status that means it cannot be legally challenged. The lack of a supermajority. The hidden motives of brexit leaders. The complete lack of any planning for a leave outcome. The running away of brexit's promoters. The right-wing talk of the 'will of the people'. The increase in hate crimes. The timing of it following years of austerity.
There is
nothing legitimate about it. And yet it has acquired some kind of mythical status that the result may never be challenged, even three years later.
From the last few pages of this thread, it is clear that leave voters continue to deny the realities and continue to put their faith in the worst possible politicians like Rees-Mogg, Duncan Smith, Farage, Johnson, Raab. They continue to fail to engage with any of the arguments about the meaning of brexit. I would argue that these are the result of a complete lack of proper honesty and openness from the May government which is directly responsible for the creeping slowness of the increase in sentiment towards remaining in the EU.
Against this background it is impossible to see what another referendum would achieve in terms of settling the question of EU membership, impossible to think what the question might be on the ballot paper since there is no consensus over what brexit actually means, and impossible to take the risk of Farage and the right-wingers stepping up their hate campaign and delivering another impossibility and further public unrest and violence.
There's no way all the above can be turned around before the new deadline of 31 October - how appropriate it should be halloween. Eventually our government (not parliament - they are already doing their job) is going to have to face its responsibilities, come clean and tell the public the truth, and face down the dangerous and ridiculous brexit promoters.
,not a good view is it illegally funded,suggestions of £350million a week for the NHS,how it was going to be so easy,and how countries would be beating a path to our door to trade with us,sunny uplands with grazing unicorns,etc,etc.
