** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 15 Jun 2019, 2:10am

Hi,
mercalia wrote:Almost makes me into a Brexit-eer :twisted:

Anger over £440,000 'golden goodbye' payments to EU top dogs Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk when they stand down later this year

Jacob Rees-Mogg said: 'It seems odd to have 'golden goodbyes' for people in a fixed-term job. It is another example of EU extravagance paid for in part by the British taxpayer. It's even more reason not to hand over the £39billion willy-nilly.'


Last night a European Commission spokesman said: 'The objective [of the payments] is to ensure a certain level of financial security until their next paid employment.'


https://a.msn.com/r/2/AACQmLX?m=en-gb

seems like they get £24,000-a-month basic salary at the moment :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 15 Jun 2019, 2:27am

Hi,
reohn2 wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
reohn2 wrote:
Consider this analogy:-
You have a bike that you ride everyday and it does the job though you are aware of some faults with it,these faults though some serious,aren't something that can't be put right with a some expenditure(both monetary and time).
Then you're offered a new bike but the snag is you aren't allowed to see it or test ride it,until you've bought it and the deal is done and your old bike is taken from you and rendered unrideable by the seller of the new bike.

That is Brexit as remainers see it,it also seems to remainers that leavers will do anything for an unseen new bike.


Sounds like half (posters not political) the posters on here, I haven't bought a new bike in over twenty years......have you :wink:

For the last twenty years I haven't been able to afford to.

And there was I thinking you could listen to a reasonable argument :?
PS,In the past twenty years I bought six new or nearly new bike that I can think of,but I did get to inspect and test ride them first though :D

To be fair and honest, I have not ben able to afford a bike for about twenty years because I invested in my own business rather than carry on blowing money on toys.
But for a few years now I have been offered a new bike two years running by my long suffering partner :)
I declined because I have several bikes and two three even quality machines, a new bike would do nothing for my wellbeing, I am happy with what I have.
I have so many spares and a lot of quality stuff too that I will never need to buy anymore parts for the rest of my life, save maybe a few chains and spokes.
I never road tested any of my bikes including half a dozen new motorcycles, but I am a very picky buyer, also back then a bike appeared and would go very quickly from the shop, as shops back then were small at least where I live.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Bowedw » 15 Jun 2019, 3:03am

To continue on the bike analogy, in my opinion the EU is a poor quality bike that has never fitted us and is long overdue for the scrap heap.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby kwackers » 15 Jun 2019, 8:04am

Bowedw wrote:To continue on the bike analogy, in my opinion the EU is a poor quality bike that has never fitted us and is long overdue for the scrap heap.

Cue Monty Pythons "What have the Romans ever done for us" sketch.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mjr » 15 Jun 2019, 8:17am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:No one will disagree with your post for sure.

Why post that after several have already disagreed with it?
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby broadway » 15 Jun 2019, 8:21am

Bowedw wrote:To continue on the bike analogy, in my opinion the EU is a poor quality bike that has never fitted us and is long overdue for the scrap heap.


And to fix it we've decided to replace it one with no wheels.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mjr » 15 Jun 2019, 8:49am

broadway wrote:
Bowedw wrote:To continue on the bike analogy, in my opinion the EU is a poor quality bike that has never fitted us and is long overdue for the scrap heap.


And to fix it we've decided to replace it one with no wheels.

But we will develop alternative technological measures that will replace wheels and we're really really sure they'll be ready before the tour and it's just mean of the regulators to refuse to rule that it'll be roadworthy right now!
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby reohn2 » 15 Jun 2019, 9:01am

Bowedw wrote:To continue on the bike analogy, in my opinion the EU is a poor quality bike that has never fitted us and is long overdue for the scrap heap.

You would need to quantify that statement for it to mean anything.
Beware though Brexit arguments so far haven't stood up to scrutiny,that said I'm always willing to listen to a good sound agrument against remaining.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby PDQ Mobile » 15 Jun 2019, 9:02am

Bowedw wrote:To continue on the bike analogy, in my opinion the EU is a poor quality bike that has never fitted us and is long overdue for the scrap heap.


"You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone"

Look after things and they will last a long time.
Sadly not a modern philosophy.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby reohn2 » 15 Jun 2019, 9:16am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
To be fair and honest, I have not ben able to afford a bike for about twenty years because I invested in my own business rather than carry on blowing money on toys.
But for a few years now I have been offered a new bike two years running by my long suffering partner :)
I declined because I have several bikes and two three even quality machines, a new bike would do nothing for my wellbeing, I am happy with what I have.
I have so many spares and a lot of quality stuff too that I will never need to buy anymore parts for the rest of my life, save maybe a few chains and spokes.
I never road tested any of my bikes including half a dozen new motorcycles, but I am a very picky buyer, also back then a bike appeared and would go very quickly from the shop, as shops back then were small at least where I live.

That seems to indicate that you're happy with what you've got,which is how I feel about staying in the EU,I'm happy but it needs some tinkering with to get it as good as it can be,whereas starting from scratch ie;looking around the many bike shops for something better,only to find that anything as good as I've got I can't afford and what's available in my price range is not as good as what I already have.
As a foot note to that.
On the varied terrain that's available to cycle on,to enjoy cycling best,the bike needs to be as versatile as possible and I believe the EU bicycle offers the best versatility in that varied terrain.
You OTOH seem to be willing to throw caution to the wind and jump on a bike untested,unseen and recommended by liars and shysters!
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 15 Jun 2019, 10:06am

mercalia wrote:Jacob Rees-Mogg said: 'It seems odd to have 'golden goodbyes' for people in a fixed-term job. It is another example of EU extravagance paid for in part by the British taxpayer. It's even more reason not to hand over the £39billion willy-nilly.'


The man's a hypocrite. He's in a fixed term job with a golden goodbye fully paid by for by the British taxpayer.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 15 Jun 2019, 10:08am

Hi,
pete75 wrote:
mercalia wrote:Jacob Rees-Mogg said: 'It seems odd to have 'golden goodbyes' for people in a fixed-term job. It is another example of EU extravagance paid for in part by the British taxpayer. It's even more reason not to hand over the £39billion willy-nilly.'


The man's a hypocrite. He's in a fixed term job with a golden goodbye fully paid by for by the British taxpayer.

So have the all state employed :twisted:
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby reohn2 » 15 Jun 2019, 10:54am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
pete75 wrote:
mercalia wrote:Jacob Rees-Mogg said: 'It seems odd to have 'golden goodbyes' for people in a fixed-term job. It is another example of EU extravagance paid for in part by the British taxpayer. It's even more reason not to hand over the £39billion willy-nilly.'


The man's a hypocrite. He's in a fixed term job with a golden goodbye fully paid by for by the British taxpayer.

So have the all state employed :twisted:

Most of which have paid into it all their working lives as well a paying N.I.
You seem to begrudge people for looking after themselves,most of whom have in the past been due to good trade union negotiation on behave of their members.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 15 Jun 2019, 10:55am

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
pete75 wrote:
mercalia wrote:Jacob Rees-Mogg said: 'It seems odd to have 'golden goodbyes' for people in a fixed-term job. It is another example of EU extravagance paid for in part by the British taxpayer. It's even more reason not to hand over the £39billion willy-nilly.'


The man's a hypocrite. He's in a fixed term job with a golden goodbye fully paid by for by the British taxpayer.

So have the all state employed :twisted:


Eh? How do you work that one out?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Mick F » 15 Jun 2019, 10:59am

pete75 wrote:The man's a hypocrite. He's in a fixed term job with a golden goodbye fully paid by for by the British taxpayer.
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:So have the all state employed :twisted:
As an ex-state employee, I have something to say about it.

The defence budget is not just for hardware ships and tanks etc but for all the pay and allowances as well as pensions. From what I remember, it's about 10% of the whole defence budget.

The "golden goodbye" is part of the pension system. You can have a bigger one by forfeiting some of your annual pension until it's paid off. Also, servicemen and women pay income tax too.

No doubt ex MPs have something like this, but we had to serve a minimum of 22years to get any pension.
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