** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

[windmiller]

Democracy has been kept waiting long enough now, time to get on with leaving the EU. Calling the majority of the voting population plebs is actually what most of us are. However anti -democracy types who are mostly remainers use the term as an insult.

Funny, but the only people advocating suspending parliamentary democracy are leavers.

The majority of parliament is against democracy and have thown the kitchen sink at it to destroy it. You are being played like a pawn'.
Funny how the so called liberal left wing embraces the undemocratic house of lords when it thinks it will suit its' own foolish ends.

[reohn2]

https://youtu.be/eyVDUVJvDlM

[mercalia]

all is peachy here in Brexit-Land. Things are worse in Frexit-Land?

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/07/w ... ning_Blend

[windmiller]

Hitler was another deluded socialist

[mercalia]

Hitler was another deluded socialist

well in understanding the political spectrum instead of having a straight line with socialists on the left and conservatives on the right with the extremes left and right, it is common to wrap the straight line into a circle with the extreme leftists no different to the extreme rightwing....

[Cugel]

Hitler was another deluded socialist

well in understanding the political spectrum instead of having a straight line with socialists on the left and conservatives on the right with the extremes left and right, it is common to wrap the straight line into a circle with the extreme leftists no different to the extreme rightwing....

"Left" and "right" are categories of democratic political inclinations as originating and found in the British Parliament and it's later clones constructed by other democratic nations. "Left" and "right" have no real meaning in other non-democratic forms of government such as the various totalitarian modes, absolute monarchies, anarchies and so forth.

It is the case that the far righty-tighty of a democratic State can easily slip into demands and support for a totalitarian form of government, eschewing democracy (except for rigged votes in favour of The Strong Man") in favour of some sort of dictatorship or absolutist government which obliterates any and all opposition. Such governments give themselves various titles, "National Socialism" being one; another being "The People's Democratic State of .....". Of course, these titles and the words they employ don't have anything like the same meaning of such words in a democracy.

Socialism in Britain, for example, is more about the common good; equal opportunities; the underpinning of diversity with law, support of various freedoms, religions, ways of life, sexual preferences and so forth, often in the face of "conservatism" that is no such thing but merely reactionary bigotry, often from the far righty-tighties. In Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia the meaning of "socialism" was rather the opposite - the requirement of The State for all subjects to behave in one way only, with draconian punishments for any deviance from the approved homogenised behaviours or even thoughts. No support for freedoms and diversity there. Often no rule of law.



Cugel

[bovlomov]

As both Johnson and Hunt are planning vast post-Brexit state aid, can we call them socialists? Those bloody Trots want to turn us in to Venezuela!

[Oldjohnw]

However, and having said what I said above, both the Tories and Labour, primarily over Brexit but under different guises, are being increasingly infiltrated by extremists. Another labour MP threatened with deselection for standing against anti-semitism whilst attempts are being made against more moderate Tory MPs eg Grieve, Rudd, Gauke.

And what on earth right does the Board of Deputies have to try to more or less dictate who stands for Parliament? Imagine if the General Synod or the Baptist Union or the Methodist Conference tried that on!

What a shower.

[andrec]

However, and having said what I said above, both the Tories and Labour, primarily over Brexit but under different guises, are being increasingly infiltrated by extremists. Another labour MP threatened with deselection for standing against anti-semitism whilst attempts are being made against more moderate Tory MPs eg Grieve, Rudd, Gauke.

And what on earth right does the Board of Deputies have to try to more or less dictate who stands for Parliament? Imagine if the General Synod or the Baptist Union or the Methodist Conference tried that on!

What a shower.

Political parties are private organisations and how they choose their members and candidates is their own affair. Anyone who doesn't like a party's policy can stand against it in elections and put their own views forward in the campaigns.

[PDQ Mobile]

However, and having said what I said above, both the Tories and Labour, primarily over Brexit but under different guises, are being increasingly infiltrated by extremists. Another labour MP threatened with deselection for standing against anti-semitism whilst attempts are being made against more moderate Tory MPs eg Grieve, Rudd, Gauke.

And what on earth right does the Board of Deputies have to try to more or less dictate who stands for Parliament? Imagine if the General Synod or the Baptist Union or the Methodist Conference tried that on!

What a shower.

Political parties are private organisations and how they choose their members and candidates is their own affair. Anyone who doesn't like a party's policy can stand against it in elections and put their own views forward in the campaigns.

I agree but the all the sources of financial backing must be open for all to see.
All donations listed and nothing swept under by "clever accounting".

[pete75]

However, and having said what I said above, both the Tories and Labour, primarily over Brexit but under different guises, are being increasingly infiltrated by extremists. Another labour MP threatened with deselection for standing against anti-semitism whilst attempts are being made against more moderate Tory MPs eg Grieve, Rudd, Gauke.

And what on earth right does the Board of Deputies have to try to more or less dictate who stands for Parliament? Imagine if the General Synod or the Baptist Union or the Methodist Conference tried that on!

What a shower.

Political parties are private organisations and how they choose their members and candidates is their own affair. Anyone who doesn't like a party's policy can stand against it in elections and put their own views forward in the campaigns.

If they're private organisations then they've no business running public affairs and one shouldn't currently be choosing the new leader of the UK.

[Vorpal]

Thread has been trimmed, yet again.

Please refrain from insults & innuendo. If someone else does it, please report the post.

Thanks

[reohn2]

........Socialism in Britain, for example, is more about the common good; equal opportunities; the underpinning of diversity with law, support of various freedoms, religions, ways of life, sexual preferences and so forth, often in the face of "conservatism" that is no such thing but merely reactionary bigotry, often from the far righty-tighties. In Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia the meaning of "socialism" was rather the opposite - the requirement of The State for all subjects to behave in one way only, with draconian punishments for any deviance from the approved homogenised behaviours or even thoughts. No support for freedoms and diversity there. Often no rule of law.



Cugel

That is my exact understanding of true socialism and not the pseudo socialism of Russia,Nazi Germany and other countries past and present which are and were respectively totalitarian states ruled by fear of not conforming..
Thanks Cugel for pointing out to the dim sighted and blinkered among us who can't see that unfettered capitalism is ruining our country.

[pete75]

........Socialism in Britain, for example, is more about the common good; equal opportunities; the underpinning of diversity with law, support of various freedoms, religions, ways of life, sexual preferences and so forth, often in the face of "conservatism" that is no such thing but merely reactionary bigotry, often from the far righty-tighties. In Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia the meaning of "socialism" was rather the opposite - the requirement of The State for all subjects to behave in one way only, with draconian punishments for any deviance from the approved homogenised behaviours or even thoughts. No support for freedoms and diversity there. Often no rule of law.



Cugel

That is my exact understanding of true socialism and not the pseudo socialism of Russia,Nazi Germany and other countries past and present which are and were respectively totalitarian states ruled by fear of not conforming..
Thanks Cugel for pointing out to the dim sighted and blinkered among us who can't see that unfettered capitalism is ruining our country.

Nazi Germany was in no way a socialist country. Saying it was because they called themselves National socialists is like saying Eric Honecker's Eats Germany was a democracy because it called itself the Deutsche Demokratische Republik. The Nazi's imprisoned and/or killed most of Germany's socialists.
Soviet Russia was a Communist country. Communism and socialism are no more the same thing than Conservatism and Fascism.

[reohn2]

Nazi Germany was in no way a socialist country. Saying it was because they called themselves National socialists is like saying Eric Honecker's Eats Germany was a democracy because it called itself the Deutsche Demokratische Republik. The Nazi's imprisoned and/or killed most of Germany's socialists.
Soviet Russia was a Communist country. Communism and socialism are no more the same thing than Conservatism and Fascism.

I was aware of that,though it seems some people aren't