andrec wrote: bovlomov wrote:
andrec wrote:...it has revealed that some people are capable of such a degree of devotion to a political project, and that's a bit scary
Well, you can count me out of that. Over the years, I've been sympathetic to the idea of leaving the EU. I'm not, however, sympathetic to lies, ignorance and fantasies.
I'll say it again. Brexit could have been successful on clearly defined terms. A Brexit built on dishonesty can never succeed.
There were never going to be clearly defined terms for Brexit.
The people promoting Brexit have shown, repeatedly, that they don't know how the EU works, and they don't know about international law and trade. All they knew was that any realistic Brexit wouldn't have gained more than a tiny minority of supporters. So they lied instead.
the pro-EU factions in our society seem to have little of no interest in how others have been affected.
You mean poverty? You might ask yourself what interest Johnson, Hannan, Gove, Farage, Rees-Mogg, etc have ever taken in poverty. You might ask yourself what interest the Conservative Party has taken in poverty. You might ask yourself why one of the richest countries in the world has so many disaffected people.
Or you could blame the EU, that took more interest in UK poverty than our own government.
They arrogantly assumed that it was wonderful for everyone and that those who didn't think so were simply wrong
They correctly assumed that many of the criticisms of the EU were simply wrong.
It's been one of the constants of Euroscepticism, to ignore genuine faults with the EU, fail to engage in any meaningful attempts at reform*, and instead make up false stories. It's laziness, I think. The problems with the EU require a level of understanding, and the solutions require hard work. Lies are easier.
*EDIT: Though Farage has made many a photo opportunity out of fishing, is it correct that he has attended only one (1) EU fisheries meeting?