** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 16 Jul 2019, 1:39pm

al_yrpal wrote:I and millions of others voted leave without any notion of nostalgia, nationalism or xenophobia. This is just another sick sneering attempt to denigrate people with the majority view. Thank goodness for the common sense of our friend Horizon in this echo chamber riven with angst and spite.

Al


Any angst, spite, sneering or sickness is all yours Al.

The point I'm making is that Brexit was NOT driven by those things, although they were part of the campaign.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby stu1102 » 16 Jul 2019, 3:07pm

stu1102 wrote:Yes agreed BUT what we can say the pound is now trading at its lowest level since 1994, historically, the British Pound reached an all time high of 2.86 in December of 1957 and a record low of 1.05 in February of 1985 and since the referendum has fallen from its value 1.50 on the night of the referendum to its current trading level of 1.25

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NOW 1.24

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby windmiller » 16 Jul 2019, 5:53pm

Cugel wrote:
windmiller wrote:(snip)
The EU ticks most of the boxes of being an Empire. (more snip) This awareness has awakened a sense of dormant patriotism in England which is most often sneered at by the left as right wing hatred of other nations or even fascism. This only angers the majority and empowers their will to break free from the bureaucratic tyranny that is the EU.


Ha ha - you been readin' that made-up Boris-stuff in The Torygraph about bananas and prawn flavoured crisps, as well as those aping the creature in their own gutter press lie-mongering rags.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... urosceptic

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby brynpoeth » 16 Jul 2019, 6:05pm

Cunobelin wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:
bovlomov wrote:It might cure us of our empire/WWII fantasies, once and for all. Though it'll be a painful process.

Rather the reverse I fear
..
One possible big benefit would be less trade
British milk products only, no German, French, Irish products, for example, no cheddar cheese in Paris!
No more kerrygold in the UK

I have sort of accepted This Madness because I can do nothing about it
Plenty of us shall be little affected by it I believe

Besides, as someone suggested on my mental health thread: in the interests of my mental health I do not read the b***t thread so often :wink:


Which is also in many ways a failed argument

The export market in Europe is greater than the home market. Even if we replaced ALL imports with UK, there would still be a deficit that will be a major issue devastating the UK farming and fishing industries

Plenty of marginal land could be farmed, people could eat more porridge and less meat
Simples :wink:
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby windmiller » 16 Jul 2019, 6:36pm

roubaixtuesday wrote:The real reason for Brexit?

Here's real earnings over the past 150+ years. There has been no comparable drop in real earnings since industrialisation. It's pretty amazing Brexit is all that has happened.

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And adjusted right up to date. Real earnings are still lower than pre-crash, over a decade on:

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The xenophobia, nationalism and nostalgia are a symptom of this economic reality.

Just my view, of course.


Another good example of sneering and smearing the majority who voted for brexit

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby windmiller » 16 Jul 2019, 6:45pm

Many who voted remain have a phobic fear of reality and they get really vexed at anyone who does not partake of it. So much for liberal tolerance - it died
long ago.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 16 Jul 2019, 6:49pm

windmiller wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:The real reason for Brexit?

Here's real earnings over the past 150+ years. There has been no comparable drop in real earnings since industrialisation. It's pretty amazing Brexit is all that has happened.

Capture1.JPG

And adjusted right up to date. Real earnings are still lower than pre-crash, over a decade on:

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The xenophobia, nationalism and nostalgia are a symptom of this economic reality.

Just my view, of course.


Another good example of sneering and smearing the majority who voted for brexit


Get a grip, and address the point rather than obfuscating. The post says the opposite of what you claim.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby windmiller » 16 Jul 2019, 6:55pm

The wheels on the bus go around and around

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 16 Jul 2019, 7:18pm

roubaixtuesday wrote:The post says the opposite of what you claim.

The mistake you made was to introduce an unacceptable level of complexity. It's the same when someone mentions poverty as being a factor in criminal behaviour. The stock response is: "How dare you! The majority of poor folk are decent and aren't criminals."

But oh no! Have I just compared Leave voters with criminals?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby windmiller » 16 Jul 2019, 10:33pm

bovlomov wrote:
roubaixtuesday wrote:The post says the opposite of what you claim.

The mistake you made was to introduce an unacceptable level of complexity. It's the same when someone mentions poverty as being a factor in criminal behaviour. The stock response is: "How dare you! The majority of poor folk are decent and aren't criminals."

But oh no! Have I just compared Leave voters with criminals?


How about introducing a level of common sense into that statement instead of patronising guff.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 16 Jul 2019, 11:15pm

windmiller wrote:How about introducing a level of common sense into that statement instead of patronising guff.

Common sense says roubaixtuesday's post was misunderstood, and the offence taken was misplaced. Will that do?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby windmiller » 16 Jul 2019, 11:37pm

bovlomov wrote:
windmiller wrote:How about introducing a level of common sense into that statement instead of patronising guff.

Common sense says roubaixtuesday's post was misunderstood, and the offence taken was misplaced. Will that do?


Remainers excel at patronising common sense

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 16 Jul 2019, 11:45pm

windmiller wrote:
bovlomov wrote:
windmiller wrote:How about introducing a level of common sense into that statement instead of patronising guff.

Common sense says roubaixtuesday's post was misunderstood, and the offence taken was misplaced. Will that do?


Remainers excel at patronising common sense

I don't wish to patronise you. How would you like to be told, that you misunderstood?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby windmiller » 17 Jul 2019, 12:27am

bovlomov wrote:
windmiller wrote:
bovlomov wrote:Common sense says roubaixtuesday's post was misunderstood, and the offence taken was misplaced. Will that do?


Remainers excel at patronising common sense

I don't wish to patronise you. How would you like to be told, that you misunderstood?


Same language different worlds

Thanks for proving my point :lol:

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Cunobelin » 17 Jul 2019, 6:09am

brynpoeth wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:Rather the reverse I fear
..
One possible big benefit would be less trade
British milk products only, no German, French, Irish products, for example, no cheddar cheese in Paris!
No more kerrygold in the UK

I have sort of accepted This Madness because I can do nothing about it
Plenty of us shall be little affected by it I believe

Besides, as someone suggested on my mental health thread: in the interests of my mental health I do not read the b***t thread so often :wink:


Which is also in many ways a failed argument

The export market in Europe is greater than the home market. Even if we replaced ALL imports with UK, there would still be a deficit that will be a major issue devastating the UK farming and fishing industries

Plenty of marginal land could be farmed, people could eat more porridge and less meat
Simples :wink:


Unless you are a welsh hill farmer when you cannot grow oats or sell; your meat?