pete75 wrote: roubaixtuesday wrote:
The article is merely a statistical analysis and in no way proves your premise "In other words, it was quite literally xenophobia - fear of foreigners. Actual foreigners didn't bother people." That's a false assumption on your part, based on the notion "all leavers voters are racist". I'm surprised you also didn't find stats on relative education levels in leave and remain voting areas so you could make the claim "all leave voters are stupid"
The areas with few immigrants are usually those with poor economic prospects and a lot of poor people.It's well known such areas and people voted for Brexit as a protest about their conditions, high unemployment, lack of prospects for the young and perhaps because they believed what Johnson et al were saying.
Well, I would have better worded it "In other words, it was more xenophobia - fear of foreigners - than actual foreigners"it's not remotely based on the premise "all leave voters are racist"
- that's a lazy smear on your part. Try addressing the actual argument made rather than inventing ones more convenient to you.
So, what do you learn from the fact that immigration levels are negatively correlated to leave voters?
The conclusion you've drawn is that areas without many immigrants voted leave out of xenophobia which is , to all intents and purposes, a synonym for racism. The Merriam Webster dictionary defines xenophobia as fear and hatred of foreigners. The International Encyclopedia of Social and Behavioural Sciences states "Xenophobia is perpetuated through a dynamic public rhetoric that actively stigmatizes and vilifies migrants by playing up the ‘threat’ posed by their presence and making them scapegoats for social problems." If that isn't racism I don't know what is.
Why are immigration levels are negatively correlated to leave voters. That should be leave voting areas really.
Most immigrants were attracted here because they want better prospects than they think they'll have at home - basically they want to earn more. That means few will go to areas with high unemployment and few job opportunities. Many there believed Brexit would improve things for them.
"Many working-class people believed – and continue to believe – that Brexit will bring about a positive change in their circumstances. Lisa Mckenzie (Middlesex University) argues that their voices have been ignored for 40 years, and the better-off mock and dismiss their attachment to leaving the EU. It is time to recognise the systematic way the working class has been excluded from British society."https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/01/ ... lame-them/
"The conclusion you've drawn is that areas without many immigrants voted leave out of xenophobia which is , to all intents and purposes, a synonym for racism."
No, that's not what I said. What I was trying to say is that the vote was more driven by fear of foreigners than actual experience of living with foreigners. Which is what the stats show.
You keep on accusing me of things I have not said. It's not the same to say that xenophobia was an overall driver of the vote (it clearly was) and that every leave voter was xenophobic (they clearly were not).
I agree totally with the comments on the working class. I have argued here before, and continue to believe now, that the fundamental reason for the vote was the unprecedented decline in real wages: over the decade before the vote, real wages dropped more than ever before since the Industrial Revolution. Blaming that on foreigners resulted in Brexit, but that's second order really.