** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 21 Aug 2019, 9:39pm

reohn2 wrote:Psamathe,PQ,Bov.
When you've been banging you head against a wall,it ain't half nice when you stop :) .
Chaps you're wasting your time trying to talk sence to those how won't listen to sense and reason :wink:

These 1200+ pages of beautiful discussion will be examined by future historians (and psychologists), students will paper their walls with prints of the most profound posts, and romantics will dream that they too were part of The Great Brexit Thread. There will be Top Trumps sets of forum members, and young lovers will lay roses on our graves every (?)October 31st.

Wasting our time?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby reohn2 » 21 Aug 2019, 10:30pm

bovlomov wrote: .......Wasting our time?

IMHO the only time the brexit nutters will realise the damage they've caused to this nation is when it's down the tubes.
What with the lunatics in charge of the country presently,bolstered by the Brexit supporting idiots,people with the most extreme delusions of grandeur,it's well on the way already.
Those stupid people won't see it until we're all upto our necks in the brown excrement of their making!
The loonies have now truly taken over the asylum!

PS,I don't wish to debate the issue it's well past all that.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby 661-Pete » 21 Aug 2019, 11:01pm

It's sort of analogous to this piece of wisdom
1. Every driver thinks they're a good driver.
2. The only time a driver realises what a lousy driver they are, is when they've killed someone.
I'd rather no.2 didn't have to happen. Wouldn't you? :(
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 21 Aug 2019, 11:46pm

661-Pete wrote:It's sort of analogous to this piece of wisdom
1. Every driver thinks they're a good driver.
2. The only time a driver realises what a lousy driver they are, is when they've killed someone.
I'd rather no.2 didn't have to happen. Wouldn't you? :(


Many drivers realise they're not as good as they thought they were in incidents where nobody is killed.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 22 Aug 2019, 12:09am

mercalia wrote:You have been taken in by the EU polish I think. You've got it all wrong. It is a EU problem, just as much ours, which THEY will have to solve if there is a no deal Brexit. THEY wont be able to pass the buck to the UK. You want to make it soley our problem it isnt, rather it its a joint problem but the EU is refusing to see it that way. The 30 days thing just reinforces what I said above. The EU is run by deluded bureacrats on a power trip thinking they can dominate matters ( they may be able to, but that dont change the nature of their actions, ie not the behaviour of a democratic org)


Rubbish. The problem has been caused by the UK decison to leave.

Your view is typical amongst Brexiters - all problems are the fault of the evil EU. You are deluded if you can't realise that all the problems have been caused by you and your fellow Brexit voters. You've created a problem but want to blame others for it.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Cunobelin » 22 Aug 2019, 5:58am

pete75 wrote:
mercalia wrote:You have been taken in by the EU polish I think. You've got it all wrong. It is a EU problem, just as much ours, which THEY will have to solve if there is a no deal Brexit. THEY wont be able to pass the buck to the UK. You want to make it soley our problem it isnt, rather it its a joint problem but the EU is refusing to see it that way. The 30 days thing just reinforces what I said above. The EU is run by deluded bureacrats on a power trip thinking they can dominate matters ( they may be able to, but that dont change the nature of their actions, ie not the behaviour of a democratic org)


Rubbish. The problem has been caused by the UK decison to leave.

Your view is typical amongst Brexiters - all problems are the fault of the evil EU. You are deluded if you can't realise that all the problems have been caused by you and your fellow Brexit voters. You've created a problem but want to blame others for it.


The problem is that the Pro-Brexit lobby really expected every single whim to be agreed to immediately and without question... even the absurd, ridiculous and contradictory ones.

Then when the. Eu appallingly had the audacity to actually act in the interests of their members there is shock, dismay, bleating and wringing of hands

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pete75 » 22 Aug 2019, 7:42am

Mike Sales wrote:
Vorpal wrote:
Mike Sales wrote: the village with the longest [English] compound place name in Britain

FTFY ;)


You qualify my assertion. Do you know of longer compound place names in Wales or Scotland?
It would be interesting to learn them.

There are none.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mercalia » 22 Aug 2019, 8:28am

pete75 wrote:
mercalia wrote:You have been taken in by the EU polish I think. You've got it all wrong. It is a EU problem, just as much ours, which THEY will have to solve if there is a no deal Brexit. THEY wont be able to pass the buck to the UK. You want to make it soley our problem it isnt, rather it its a joint problem but the EU is refusing to see it that way. The 30 days thing just reinforces what I said above. The EU is run by deluded bureacrats on a power trip thinking they can dominate matters ( they may be able to, but that dont change the nature of their actions, ie not the behaviour of a democratic org)


Rubbish. The problem has been caused by the UK decison to leave.

Your view is typical amongst Brexiters - all problems are the fault of the evil EU. You are deluded if you can't realise that all the problems have been caused by you and your fellow Brexit voters. You've created a problem but want to blame others for it.


eh :?: I am not a Brexit-eer. so thats another thing you have got wrong. But I do point the finger at the EUs dishonest position

Merkel gives Johnson 30 days to find solution to avoid no-deal Brexit

should bejust as valid

Johnson gives Merkel 30 days to find solution to avoid no-deal Brexit


The problem ISNT the UKs problem, soley. Therein is the dishonesty and buck passing of the EU. The EU is arrogant and deluded, trying to avoid responsibility, because to do so would create complications for its internal market. The fact is it cant both adhere to the GFA and also a strict interpretation of its internal market - its denying reality, pretending its the UKs problem and therfore the UK has to suffer. Therein is the delusion. The delusions of a bully.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-brexit
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Vorpal » 22 Aug 2019, 8:34am

pete75 wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:
Vorpal wrote:FTFY ;)


You qualify my assertion. Do you know of longer compound place names in Wales or Scotland?
It would be interesting to learn them.

There are none.

Isn't Llanfairpwllgwyngyll​gogerychwyrndrob​wllllantysiliogogogoch a compound name? :lol:

Edited to add, there are a few Scots Gaelic place names that qualify
Sgeir Mhòr Niall MacDhonnchaidh
Ben Avon Leabaidh an Daimh Bhuidhe
Buachaille Etive Mor, Stob na Broige
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mikeonabike » 22 Aug 2019, 9:00am

mercalia wrote:... But I do point the finger at the EUs dishonest position
...

So the EU is dishonest but Johnson isnt? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mikeonabike » 22 Aug 2019, 9:08am

The serious point is that the UK govt claims to want to avoid a hard border, and claims to believe that "alternative arrangements" can easily be devised to achieve that, even if UK quits customs union and single market. EU's response has been that just in case those arrangements won't quite be ready in time, the backstop would kick in temporarily until they are. And then UK govt is somehow not so confident about these alternative arrangements - whining that we could be stuck permanently in the backstop.

So who's position is dishonest?

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 22 Aug 2019, 9:16am

mercalia wrote:
pete75 wrote:
mercalia wrote:You have been taken in by the EU polish I think. You've got it all wrong. It is a EU problem, just as much ours, which THEY will have to solve if there is a no deal Brexit. THEY wont be able to pass the buck to the UK. You want to make it soley our problem it isnt, rather it its a joint problem but the EU is refusing to see it that way. The 30 days thing just reinforces what I said above. The EU is run by deluded bureacrats on a power trip thinking they can dominate matters ( they may be able to, but that dont change the nature of their actions, ie not the behaviour of a democratic org)


Rubbish. The problem has been caused by the UK decison to leave.

Your view is typical amongst Brexiters - all problems are the fault of the evil EU. You are deluded if you can't realise that all the problems have been caused by you and your fellow Brexit voters. You've created a problem but want to blame others for it.


eh :?: I am not a Brexit-eer. so thats another thing you have got wrong. But I do point the finger at the EUs dishonest position

Merkel gives Johnson 30 days to find solution to avoid no-deal Brexit

should bejust as valid

Johnson gives Merkel 30 days to find solution to avoid no-deal Brexit


The problem ISNT the UKs problem, soley. Therein is the dishonesty and buck passing of the EU. The EU is arrogant and deluded, trying to avoid responsibility, because to do so would create complications for its internal market. The fact is it cant both adhere to the GFA and also a strict interpretation of its internal market - its denying reality, pretending its the UKs problem and therfore the UK has to suffer. Therein is the delusion. The delusions of a bully.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-brexit


1. The UK would like to have two different border regimes with the EU, one at ports and an entirely different one in NI.
2. This is a UK demand - the EU is happy with one, as we have now.
3. The UK is obliged under WTO to control trade across the NI border, unless there is a free trade agreement which aligns customs tariffs (ie unless we're in a customs union).
4. The UK proposed the backstop to meet this obligation, whilst "alternative arrangements" are developed to try and circumvent that need.
5. Nobody anywhere believes these "alternative arrangements" can be put in place during a two year transition, and many are sceptical in the extreme if it is possible at all.

It is the UK demand for two borders with the EU with contradictory requirements which is the root of the problem. No other countries in the world anywhere have such an arrangement.

To say that it is EU bullying to point this out is, frankly, beyond bizarre.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 22 Aug 2019, 9:19am

mikeonabike wrote:So who's position is dishonest?

After three years, we need to go back to the start.

An honest Brexit is possible, but nothing, so far, about the Government's approach has been honest, and for that reason it will fail. It's only a matter of how soon and how much damage is caused along the way.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Vorpal » 22 Aug 2019, 9:27am

mercalia wrote:
Merkel gives Johnson 30 days to find solution to avoid no-deal Brexit

should bejust as valid

Johnson gives Merkel 30 days to find solution to avoid no-deal Brexit


Why should it? It's not the EU that wants out.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Mike Sales » 22 Aug 2019, 9:27am

Vorpal wrote:
pete75 wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:
You qualify my assertion. Do you know of longer compound place names in Wales or Scotland?
It would be interesting to learn them.

There are none.

Isn't Llanfairpwllgwyngyll​gogerychwyrndrob​wllllantysiliogogogoch a compound name? :lol:

Edited to add, there are a few Scots Gaelic place names that qualify
Sgeir Mhòr Niall MacDhonnchaidh
Ben Avon Leabaidh an Daimh Bhuidhe
Buachaille Etive Mor, Stob na Broige


Llanfair etc is not a compound in the same way as North Leverton.
It is not even a place name in any real sense, it is a confection for tourists. Look for it on a map.
Nobody ever calls it that in full of course, it is LlanfairPG or Llanfairpwll.
It is as real as Gelert's grave in Beddgelert.
Your Scots names are geographical features, not villages.
Stob na Broige is one of the summits of Buachaille Etive Mor, for instance.