** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

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Postby pwa » 5 Sep 2019, 8:19am

I would not want to live in a world shaped by JRM. He is a creature from another planet. But there is one trait I do like about him. He is often stoical and calm in the face of defeat. That is what the reclining on the front bench is about. The calm acceptance of defeat.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Vorpal » 5 Sep 2019, 8:31am

pwa wrote:I would not want to live in a world shaped by JRM. He is a creature from another planet. But there is one trait I do like about him. He is often stoical and calm in the face of defeat. That is what the reclining on the front bench is about. The calm acceptance of defeat.

He looks like a bored, sullen school boy. Not stoic.
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby francovendee » 5 Sep 2019, 8:34am

Psamathe wrote:Well phrased point from Soames today (in the deabte of the No-Deal blocker bill)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/04/brexit-crisis-boris-johnson-mps-bill-blocking-no-deal-eu-no-deal-parliament-politics-live wrote:....And indeed I voted for the withdrawal agreement on every occasion it has been presented to the house, which is more than can be said for the prime minister, the leader of the house and other members of the cabinet whose serial disloyalty has been such an inspiration to so many of us.


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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby pwa » 5 Sep 2019, 8:41am

Vorpal wrote:
pwa wrote:I would not want to live in a world shaped by JRM. He is a creature from another planet. But there is one trait I do like about him. He is often stoical and calm in the face of defeat. That is what the reclining on the front bench is about. The calm acceptance of defeat.

He looks like a bored, sullen school boy. Not stoic.

I like it when people flop like that. I have no time for the "sit up straight" thing I used to be told at school. He probably is board, along with the rest of us. Can't we sit the way we want to at work? Maybe he has an ache in his neck, as I once did, that makes sitting upright unbearable after a few minutes. Who knows.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Spinners » 5 Sep 2019, 8:48am

For the second time in recent years Nick Robinson did a 'Mrs Merton' by asking Sajid Javid on this mornings R4 Today something like "with a general election looming what first attracted you to a giveaway budget".

(In 2017 he famously asked Theresa May what it was about the Tory's opinion poll lead that first attracted her to the idea of a snap General Election).
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby mercalia » 5 Sep 2019, 9:04am

Oldjohnw wrote:
thelawnet wrote:
mercalia wrote:The BBC has more

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49578400


that last figure is bothering me for reasons of accuracy


Rees-Mogg, lying again.


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Postby mercalia » 5 Sep 2019, 9:06am

Spinners wrote:For the second time in recent years Nick Robinson did a 'Mrs Merton' by asking Sajid Javid on this mornings R4 Today something like "with a general election looming what first attracted you to a giveaway budget".

(In 2017 he famously asked Theresa May what it was about the Tory's opinion poll lead that first attracted her to the idea of a snap General Election).


but he isnt reversing the social welfare cuts

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby bovlomov » 5 Sep 2019, 9:10am

pwa wrote:
Vorpal wrote:
pwa wrote:I would not want to live in a world shaped by JRM. He is a creature from another planet. But there is one trait I do like about him. He is often stoical and calm in the face of defeat. That is what the reclining on the front bench is about. The calm acceptance of defeat.

He looks like a bored, sullen school boy. Not stoic.

I like it when people flop like that. I have no time for the "sit up straight" thing I used to be told at school. He probably is board, along with the rest of us. Can't we sit the way we want to at work? Maybe he has an ache in his neck, as I once did, that makes sitting upright unbearable after a few minutes. Who knows.

Given all we know about Mogg, it is almost certainly just another of his affectations. He has seen 18th century drawings of parliamentarians lounging around, and he want that type of association.

His tendency towards the horizontal increases with his petulance. He was at a similar angle when being put straight by Dominic Grieve several months ago.

If he really is bored by a national crisis, he should make way for someone who isn't.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby roubaixtuesday » 5 Sep 2019, 9:15am

bovlomov wrote:
pwa wrote:
Vorpal wrote:He looks like a bored, sullen school boy. Not stoic.

I like it when people flop like that. I have no time for the "sit up straight" thing I used to be told at school. He probably is board, along with the rest of us. Can't we sit the way we want to at work? Maybe he has an ache in his neck, as I once did, that makes sitting upright unbearable after a few minutes. Who knows.

Given all we know about Mogg, it is almost certainly just another of his affectations. He has seen 18th century drawings of parliamentarians lounging around, and he want that type of association.

His tendency towards the horizontal increases with his petulance. He was at a similar angle when being put straight by Dominic Grieve several months ago.

If he really is bored by a national crisis, he should make way for someone who isn't.


A narcissist like Johnson, he has created a persona and craves the attention it brings him. The photo perfectly encapsulates the arrogant self-entitlement of the pair of them, and it deserves to be the icon of their fall.

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Postby pwa » 5 Sep 2019, 9:24am

Well I'm not going to pull out all the stops to defend JRM, but I do defend a person's right to slouch. :lol:

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Postby bovlomov » 5 Sep 2019, 9:30am

roubaixtuesday wrote:The photo perfectly encapsulates the arrogant self-entitlement of the pair of them, and it deserves to be the icon of their fall.

If Brexit doesn't happen, this image may well be held up by historians as the turning point. Along with, perhaps, Mogg's opening statement.

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Psamathe » 5 Sep 2019, 10:16am

Hopefully it's a changing situation but Corbyn's current/recent (hopefully changing) position of the election again shows he isn't up to the role of PM. Keir Starmer and most of the rest of the Labour Party have it right in saying the EU departure delay needs to be implemented before and General election is agreed to, but Corbyn only wants the bill passed. Once the bill is passed and Corbyn agrees to the General Election, Parliament is dissolved, there is no scrutiny, no MPs and they trust Piffle?

Plus, Corbyn is completely overlooking that, delay starting a General Election after Johnson has asked EU for a delay and Johnson's credibility amongst leavers plummets and so the Brexit Party will split the Conservative vote allowing other parties the exploit the first Past the Post system. Maybe Johnson's loss of credibility having failed to carry out his often repeated pledge is going to be a massive hindrance to the electorate's opinion of the Conservatives.

And even with a polling date mid-oct, I think a hung Parliament outcome is a real possibility and then there are delays in forming a Government whilst negotiations take place between parties so the "result" of the election may not be known for a few weeks taking us part the EU departure date. Of course we would still have a Government and Piffle would be PM but with no Parliament and it seems no real enthusiasm for truth or law from the existing incumbents and no Parliament to remind them of their duty, etc. Corbyn may easily have to look back at what he allowed to happen to the detriment of the UK.

At every opportunity Corbyn seems unable to think things through (or listen to others who think things through on his behalf). Yesterday/today has only reassured me (again) that Labour will flop at the General election.

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Postby mjr » 5 Sep 2019, 10:28am

Psamathe wrote:Hopefully it's a changing situation but Corbyn's current/recent (hopefully changing) position of the election again shows he isn't up to the role of PM. Keir Starmer and most of the rest of the Labour Party have it right in saying the EU departure delay needs to be implemented before and General election is agreed to, but Corbyn only wants the bill passed. Once the bill is passed and Corbyn agrees to the General Election, Parliament is dissolved, there is no scrutiny, no MPs and they trust Piffle?

Yes, what would happen if Al breaks this law and doesn't request an extension? Say he lands up in prison: would he still be PM? Would the UK still crash out and default on its debts?
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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Psamathe » 5 Sep 2019, 10:40am

mjr wrote:
Psamathe wrote:Hopefully it's a changing situation but Corbyn's current/recent (hopefully changing) position of the election again shows he isn't up to the role of PM. Keir Starmer and most of the rest of the Labour Party have it right in saying the EU departure delay needs to be implemented before and General election is agreed to, but Corbyn only wants the bill passed. Once the bill is passed and Corbyn agrees to the General Election, Parliament is dissolved, there is no scrutiny, no MPs and they trust Piffle?

Yes, what would happen if Al breaks this law and doesn't request an extension? Say he lands up in prison: would he still be PM? Would the UK still crash out and default on its debts?

I have no legal abilities and no knowledge - so my personal opinion is: We would still crash out without a deal because that is the current international agreement (the in progress law only requires the PM to ask for an extension and does not change our current legal departure date and the EU could still say "no" even if we ask nicely). I doubt Johnson would face any prosecution (he's an Oxford educated, Eton alumni - any judge in the case would undoubtedly also be ex-public school Oxbridge, etc., they are "the entitled").

I assume breaking the current in-progress law would be a "Misconduct in Public Office" (which I believe carried a maximum sentence of life imprisonment).

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Re: ** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

Postby Bowedw » 5 Sep 2019, 10:51am

Lets not hang about in taking the Country back to the good old days of a Labour 1970 style Government. Bring on strikes, mass unemployment, candles for lights, I really miss those days when we where all in the same poverty trap. The only plus side is that we will still be under the thumb of the likes of Barnier and will be able to dessert the ship for sunnier climates in this wonderful EU superstate. That is,if they have not thrown us out as we will be unable to afford the massive flow of money in their direction.