** The Brexit Thread ** - 'Brexit Means Brexit'

[Paulatic]

Boris is handling things really well

European Commission launched infringement proceedings against the UK, following its failure to name a candidate for EU Commissioner.

Wasting more time and more money for someone who’s going to 'get it done'.
https://www.alynsmith.eu/scotland_in_eu ... ember_2019

[PDQ Mobile]

Vote Labour, you wont get Brexit, you will get a run on the pound, economic collapse and industrial and public sector chaos just like we had in the 70s.

Al

A run on the pound?
For 1400 pages you have extolled the BENEFITS of a WEAK pound. Numerous times.

But now you suddenly see it as a bad thing?
It doesn't make your position at all credible.
Or am I missing something?

Broadly the pound has followed Brexit.
Everytime it looked as if a deal would be reached the pound strengthened and vice versa.

Now given that any other party than the Tories (apart from "shot in own foot" DUP and Farage's lot) would be far likelier to strike a deal or even "Remain"!
A Govt. composed of such a party/coalition would almost certainly strengthen Sterling?

Some capital would flee I suppose.
A patriot hypocrite like Rees Mogg would try to move some of his out of the tax man's reach.
There will be some solace in knowing that as it stands he will get a pretty crap exchange rate and as he carries some personal blame for that, can't moan. Just desserts.

A run on the pound.
The pound is like a horse that has already run and if it runs any further it will simply die in a quivering heap.

[Stradageek]

Try this for a summary of the status-quo (Latin for the mess we're currently in) words by Grace Petrie.

[Verse 1]
At the ending of last century
I thought I knew the score
The miner's lost the battle
But the good guys won the war
I stayed up with my folks
They drank champagne til 6 A.M
The morning that we saw the Tories
Out of number 10

[Verse 2]
But short-lived was the victory
From that May morning air
When came the bloody war in
Through the door of Tony Blair
A nation of resistance
Peaceful folk denied a choice
And taught my generation
That a vote was not a voice

[Verse 3]
Well before too long the boom was bust
And the money had run dry
And when the people turn around
And ask Westminster "why?"
The false god that we'd made
Out of the city still prevailed
And we were told the welfare state
Was why the system failed

[Verse 4]
Well we were sold prosperity
Off working people's backs
And while we got mass austerity
The rich got let off tax
And now the NHS is on its knees
And the ones who get the blame
Are people washed up on the shore
With nothing to their name

[Verse 5]
A world of competition
For resources we should share
Was brought about by Thatcher
And made stronger under Blair
But nobody on this earth
Should fight for food or home or health
And I know we won't survive
On every person for themself

[Verse 6]
Now I know less than ever
What tomorrow's got in store
But I owe it to my children
To try for a little more
Than cruelty and division
Folks left in poverty to die
And if we've got a chance to change it
Then I'm damn well gonna try

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,

Its such a shame that so many people have such low confidence in our ability to govern ourselves. But its principally them that want to remain as puppets of the EU.

Anyway.. onwards and upwards

Al

Roll on Brexit.
At least they'll be something different for you stayers to moan about.
So there are only crooks in the Tory party they don't exist in the Labour Party at all?.
Oh, There are no gays in Russia.

[Cunobelin]

Its such a shame that so many people have such low confidence in our ability to govern ourselves. But its principally them that want to remain as puppets of the EU.

Anyway.. onwards and upwards

Al

How much is Brexit worth? Some folks say it's okay to accept short term hardship to get out of the EU. I understand that, even if I don't subscribe to it. But how much hardship? How many people should be without work? How many cuts to the NHS, and how many roads should go unrepaired to pay for Brexit? How much is it worth?

True only if you believe leaving will leave Britain eventually worse off. Many of us that actually live here and are committed to our country dont... and, there is more than just economics at stake.

Al

Because most "experts" seem to believe Brexit will be damaging, but then again "Leave" doesn't believe in experts

[Oldjohnw]

This morning I heard Hove speaking of how the Tories would plant so many millions of trees.

He was reminded that he promised this in both 2015 and 2017 but hasn't delivered. He said "Well we couldn't because the CAP stopped us. When we leave we will be free".

"So, since you knew that the CAP would stop you why promise it in 2015 and 2017?"

"Ah well, I wasn't the S of S for the Environment then".

So the EU gets blamed, as ever. Of course they could plant trees if they wanted. They did plant some. Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

[reohn2]

Vote Labour, you wont get Brexit, you will get a run on the pound, economic collapse and industrial and public sector chaos just like we had in the 70s.

Al

A run on the pound?
For 1400 pages you have extolled the BENEFITS of a WEAK pound. Numerous times.

But now you suddenly see it as a bad thing?......

The wind blows the leaves up and down the street,
First this way then that.
The wind blows wherever it chooses,
And the leaves rustle along with it.....

[Cugel]

This morning I heard Hove speaking of how the Tories would plant so many millions of trees.

He was reminded that he promised this in both 2015 and 2017 but hasn't delivered. He said "Well we couldn't because the CAP stopped us. When we leave we will be free".

"So, since you knew that the CAP would stop you why promise it in 2015 and 2017?"

"Ah well, I wasn't the S of S for the Environment then".

So the EU gets blamed, as ever. Of course they could plant trees if they wanted. They did plant some. Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

A good opportunity for thread drift!

Here's an article about some tree planting, which contains figures showing the shortfall agin' the past promises. It's noteworthy also that the bureaucratic process for getting permissions to turn over land to tree planting is large. And that part of the justification has to be that the trees will make someone money.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... rm-project

Cugel

[Oldjohnw]

This morning I heard Hove speaking of how the Tories would plant so many millions of trees.

He was reminded that he promised this in both 2015 and 2017 but hasn't delivered. He said "Well we couldn't because the CAP stopped us. When we leave we will be free".

"So, since you knew that the CAP would stop you why promise it in 2015 and 2017?"

"Ah well, I wasn't the S of S for the Environment then".

So the EU gets blamed, as ever. Of course they could plant trees if they wanted. They did plant some. Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

A good opportunity for thread drift!

Here's an article about some tree planting, which contains figures showing the shortfall agin' the past promises. It's noteworthy also that the bureaucratic process for getting permissions to turn over land to tree planting is large. And that part of the justification has to be that the trees will make someone money.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... rm-project

Cugel

I know the farm and indeed Gove referred to it. He said that we have both planted trees and can't plant them.

[Vorpal]

I know the farm and indeed Gove referred to it. He said that we have both planted trees and can't plant them.

Maybe he should go into quantum physics.

[reohn2]

Hi,

Its such a shame that so many people have such low confidence in our ability to govern ourselves. But its principally them that want to remain as puppets of the EU.

Anyway.. onwards and upwards

Al

Roll on Brexit.
At least they'll be something different for you stayers to moan about.
So there are only crooks in the Tory party they don't exist in the Labour Party at all?.

When are you going to put an argument,any argument,for Brexit forward?

Oh, There are no gays in Russia

What is that supposed to even mean?

[Paulatic]

This morning I heard Hove speaking of how the Tories would plant so many millions of trees.

He was reminded that he promised this in both 2015 and 2017 but hasn't delivered. He said "Well we couldn't because the CAP stopped us. When we leave we will be free".

"So, since you knew that the CAP would stop you why promise it in 2015 and 2017?"

"Ah well, I wasn't the S of S for the Environment then".

So the EU gets blamed, as ever. Of course they could plant trees if they wanted. They did plant some. Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

However will he meet his claims without Scotland?

Last year, (2018) Scotland planted 84% of the UK’s trees and we smashed our tree planting target.

[Oldjohnw]

And so, despite CAP, trees were planted. Lots of them.

[Paulatic]

Looks like England’s effort is steadily waning.
Charitably they might be thinking ahead and keeping the land to grow food after Br****.

[reohn2]

Stradageek
Spot on post.
Thanks