So that’ll be the group that are suggested by each member state then approved under a vote by the parliament.... Anyway, this is a little like complaining the Whitehall civil servents aren’t elected. The roles are comparable...
Our guy has never been elected hes a civil servant appointed by David Cameron. These are the people framing EU laws! We are a major contributor to the EU budget but are 1/28 of influence in this sorry Franco German stitch up. We have always had very little influence and in that respect we will have control over our lawmaking by leaving.
Al
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If nothing else, the march and the petition offer cause for optimism.
For over two years, we have seen on the BBC and other news sources, little other than angry red-faced old men and women screaming nonsense about brexit like 'we should just get on with it'. Our European friends do actually see our media and form opinions about the state of our country.
Footage of the march showed the British spirit and culture so admired by our continental friends and neighbours - humour, resilience, peaceful protest, determination.
The petition now standing at almost 5.5 million signatures, backs up the march beautifully and demonstrates to the world that the British cannot be characterised in the way May, Farage and Johnson would like.
Donald Tusk and Guy Verhofstadt, in particular, have been exceptionally supportive of Britain throughout this process. The march and the petition amply justify their position.
We are European, and we will be back in the EU where we belong, if we ever leave at all.
al_yrpal wrote:We are a major contributor to the EU budget but are 1/28 of influence in this sorry Franco German stitch up. We have always had very little influence and in that respect we will have control over our lawmaking by leaving.
Al
Maybe you should take the trouble to look at the numbers of MEPs in the European Parliament. I hate to break it to you like this, but you are wrong (again).
So that’ll be the group that are suggested by each member state then approved under a vote by the parliament.... Anyway, this is a little like complaining the Whitehall civil servents aren’t elected. The roles are comparable...
Our guy has never been elected hes a civil servant appointed by David Cameron. These are the people framing EU laws! We are a major contributor to the EU budget but are 1/28 of influence in this sorry Franco German stitch up. We have always had very little influence and in that respect we will have control over our lawmaking by leaving.
Al
Which laws, apart from some trade and associated laws (which trading partners always have to accept) do we not make?
So that’ll be the group that are suggested by each member state then approved under a vote by the parliament.... Anyway, this is a little like complaining the Whitehall civil servents aren’t elected. The roles are comparable...
Our guy has never been elected hes a civil servant appointed by David Cameron. These are the people framing EU laws! We are a major contributor to the EU budget but are 1/28 of influence in this sorry Franco German stitch up. We have always had very little influence and in that respect we will have control over our lawmaking by leaving.
Al
So our elected prime minister put a civil servant into a civil servant position, of which there are 28. We only have 1 of those 28, even though we are only 1 of 28 nations in the EU, and that means we have little power... in the civil servant branch of the EU...
al_yrpal wrote:Our guy has never been elected hes a civil servant appointed by David Cameron.
Nominated, not appointed - he still had to be elected by MEPs. But your point sounds like a reason why the UK's nomination method should be reformed.
And while we're at it, how is this any worse than UK ministers? They're only appointed by the PM in the same way. There's no requirement that they be elected, although most are and all of the recent ones that aren't were then appointed to the Lords so at least they can report to Parliament.
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Oldjohnw wrote:So Mrs May widely consulted yesterday.
With Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Raab, Duncan Smith. And,apparently, Mr R-M's son.
It's all going so well.
I've asked it before and I'll probably ask it again before May's gone: are we sure she realises that "cross party consensus" means across more than one party?
When she says cross party I assumed she meant the DUP - they always come across as the Cross Party!
Former member of the Cult of the Polystyrene Head Carbuncle.
al_yrpal wrote:Our guy has never been elected hes a civil servant appointed by David Cameron.
Nominated, not appointed - he still had to be elected by MEPs. But your point sounds like a reason why the UK's nomination method should be reformed.
And while we're at it, how is this any worse than UK ministers? They're only appointed by the PM in the same way. There's no requirement that they be elected, although most are and all of the recent ones that aren't were then appointed to the Lords so at least they can report to Parliament.
Like Chrakrabarti, an insult to our Democracy. At least our ministers were elected by voters, Commissioners werent. I hope you arent suggesting that voters should appoint ministers that would be very unweildy. Anyway €22,000 a month cant be bad!
Al
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al_yrpal wrote:Our guy has never been elected hes a civil servant appointed by David Cameron.
Nominated, not appointed - he still had to be elected by MEPs. But your point sounds like a reason why the UK's nomination method should be reformed.
And while we're at it, how is this any worse than UK ministers? They're only appointed by the PM in the same way. There's no requirement that they be elected, although most are and all of the recent ones that aren't were then appointed to the Lords so at least they can report to Parliament.
Like Chrakrabarti, an insult to our Democracy. At least our ministers were elected by voters, Commissioners werent.
The UK government currently has about 36 unelected ministers!
Ignorance of its workings is a far bigger insult to our democracy!
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reohn2 wrote:Do you have an argument that stands up to scrutiny? If so I'd like to hear it
Opinion is not argument, its opinion, you dont seem to be able to understand that..
Opinion is just that but to have any clout needs confirmation from a reputable source to be taken seriously,which is something you don't seem to understand.
Interesting to see where people are voting from, the establishment heartlands clearly want a third vote because last time they lost.
Al
And now they're aware of the potential disaster Brexit means for the UK. Perhaps they've learned a thing or two since the 2016 referendum
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mjr wrote:Nominated, not appointed - he still had to be elected by MEPs. But your point sounds like a reason why the UK's nomination method should be reformed.
And while we're at it, how is this any worse than UK ministers? They're only appointed by the PM in the same way. There's no requirement that they be elected, although most are and all of the recent ones that aren't were then appointed to the Lords so at least they can report to Parliament.
Like Chrakrabarti, an insult to our Democracy. At least our ministers were elected by voters, Commissioners werent.
The UK government currently has about 36 unelected ministers!
Ignorance of its workings is a far bigger insult to our democracy!
Well, at least the majority of our Cabinet who have real influence were elected by voters unlike the Comissioners in Brussels. But some people dont seem to mind...which says it all, vassal mindset.
Al
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al_yrpal wrote:Our guy has never been elected hes a civil servant appointed by David Cameron.
Nominated, not appointed - he still had to be elected by MEPs. But your point sounds like a reason why the UK's nomination method should be reformed.
And while we're at it, how is this any worse than UK ministers? They're only appointed by the PM in the same way. There's no requirement that they be elected, although most are and all of the recent ones that aren't were then appointed to the Lords so at least they can report to Parliament.
Like Chrakrabarti, an insult to our Democracy. At least our ministers were elected by voters, Commissioners werent. I hope you arent suggesting that voters should appoint ministers that would be very unweildy. Anyway €22,000 a month cant be bad!
Al
Shami Chrakrabarti is not, so far as I am aware, a government minister, nor a EU official. And not one single UK civil servant is elected.
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