broadway wrote:And since you didn't take the hint, what is this to do with Brexit?
The fish puns were better.
broadway wrote:And since you didn't take the hint, what is this to do with Brexit?
mjr wrote:mercalia wrote:broadway wrote:
And since you didn't take the hint, what is this to do with Brexit?
the EU will still be relying on UK forces when we leave, they should remember that
How do you figure that out? If you're on about NATO countries, the UK may have about 200k active military personnel, which is similar to Germany, but France has about 225k, Turkey over 900k and the USA 1.4m... We are just one good player, not the key.
And while Germany doesn't yet meet the % spending guideline, it now spends more than the UK in absolute terms, despite starting from a lower level.
661-Pete wrote:Does it matter whether posts on this thread have anything to do with Brexit?broadway wrote:And since you didn't take the hint, what is this to do with Brexit?
I'd have thought that after 355 pages of the most tedious bickering, mostly about that dismal topic, a bit of diversion is light relief....
mercalia wrote:well if the article is to be believed the German Army is in a sorry state equipment wise and not fit for purpose( even worse than ours?) ? The Uk ( and France ) are the only 2 nuclear powers within Europe. Turkey I dont think could be relied upon these days? And the USA under Trump - well we all know his views?
" By the end of 2017, all Germany's submarines were in drydock for repairs, while in recent months there have been periods where none of the air force's 14 A400M transport planes are airworthy.
The litany of disrepair continues through fighter planes, tanks, helicopters and ships lamed by bad planning and a lack of spare parts."
https://www.thelocal.de/20180220/underequipped-german-army-ever-less-ready-for-battle-damning-report-concludes
tells us exactly nothing.a report published Tuesday
mercalia wrote:well if the article is to be believed the German Army is in a sorry state equipment wise and not fit for purpose( even worse than ours?) ? The Uk ( and France ) are the only 2 nuclear powers within Europe. Turkey I dont think could be relied upon these days? And the USA under Trump - well we all know his views?
" By the end of 2017, all Germany's submarines were in drydock for repairs, while in recent months there have been periods where none of the air force's 14 A400M transport planes are airworthy.
The litany of disrepair continues through fighter planes, tanks, helicopters and ships lamed by bad planning and a lack of spare parts."
https://www.thelocal.de/20180220/underequipped-german-army-ever-less-ready-for-battle-damning-report-concludes
PDQ Mobile wrote:mercalia wrote:well if the article is to be believed the German Army is in a sorry state equipment wise and not fit for purpose( even worse than ours?) ? The Uk ( and France ) are the only 2 nuclear powers within Europe. Turkey I dont think could be relied upon these days? And the USA under Trump - well we all know his views?
" By the end of 2017, all Germany's submarines were in drydock for repairs, while in recent months there have been periods where none of the air force's 14 A400M transport planes are airworthy.
The litany of disrepair continues through fighter planes, tanks, helicopters and ships lamed by bad planning and a lack of spare parts."
https://www.thelocal.de/20180220/underequipped-german-army-ever-less-ready-for-battle-damning-report-concludes
Well in my experience the German people are very good at maintaining and fettling machines.
More like Britain used to be 50 years ago.
It's a cultural thing there to keep everthing well serviced and clean.
So I actually think the article is propaganda rubbish.
Vorpal wrote:mercalia wrote:well if the article is to be believed the German Army is in a sorry state equipment wise and not fit for purpose( even worse than ours?) ? The Uk ( and France ) are the only 2 nuclear powers within Europe. Turkey I dont think could be relied upon these days? And the USA under Trump - well we all know his views?
" By the end of 2017, all Germany's submarines were in drydock for repairs, while in recent months there have been periods where none of the air force's 14 A400M transport planes are airworthy.
The litany of disrepair continues through fighter planes, tanks, helicopters and ships lamed by bad planning and a lack of spare parts."
https://www.thelocal.de/20180220/underequipped-german-army-ever-less-ready-for-battle-damning-report-concludes
The Local is generally not to be believed. What report were they referencing? They didn't even give the title, much less an actual reference to it.tells us exactly nothing.a report published Tuesday
The problem with German submarines, it seems, is poor management of spare parts. https://www.stern.de/digital/technik/al ... 91852.html
Their former stockpile has been replaced with 'manufacture on demand'. Which might have been ok, until 4 submarines need the same long lead-time part at once.
Cyril Haearn wrote:The "serious" (?) German media reports that the army is short of thousands of officers, at one time six out of six U-boats were out of service, protective vests and underpants are short too
Cyril Haearn wrote:The "serious" (?) German media reports that the army is short of thousands of officers, at one time six out of six U-boats were out of service, protective vests and underpants are short too
Bonefishblues wrote:Cyril Haearn wrote:The "serious" (?) German media reports that the army is short of thousands of officers, at one time six out of six U-boats were out of service, protective vests and underpants are short too
I guess that chafing could be a real problem.
mercalia wrote:mjr wrote:mercalia wrote:
the EU will still be relying on UK forces when we leave, they should remember that
How do you figure that out? If you're on about NATO countries, the UK may have about 200k active military personnel, which is similar to Germany, but France has about 225k, Turkey over 900k and the USA 1.4m... We are just one good player, not the key.
And while Germany doesn't yet meet the % spending guideline, it now spends more than the UK in absolute terms, despite starting from a lower level.
well if the article is to be believed the German Army is in a sorry state equipment wise and not fit for purpose( even worse than ours?) ? The Uk ( and France ) are the only 2 nuclear powers within Europe. Turkey I dont think could be relied upon these days? And the USA under Trump - well we all know his views?